*** Official Clevo P157SM-P150SM / Sager NP8250 Owner's Lounge ***

Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by HTWingNut, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. Mr.Koala

    Mr.Koala Notebook Virtuoso

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    People call your website "sketchy" because it is, my friend.

    Plain and non-flashy look != Easy design

    Out of website pages organized in identical ways, some are blamed for being "sketchy" while others are praised for being "elegant". Why? Because on the elegant ones a separation line has at least 3 layers, and blends nicely to the subtle foreground texture which also has multiple layers to preserve contrast and is carefully tweaked to match the gradient/texture combination on the background. It looks simple. But it's not.

    Aliens popping out of the screen is the easy way to get your website "designed". If you don't want to go the easy way, you'd better go the hard way.

    I can see that your designer (if there is one) has put some work into the website, however it's inconsistent and tons of stuff are left there without any attention. Just a list of what I've noticed with in about 5 minutes:

    This "Live Help" pop up, you have any idea how scary that thing is?

    Important options don't pop out. Major categories of products are only listed in a slim line below the banner.

    Huge black pictures over a white background with no border transitions or decorations whatsoever, and no enough dark color in the adjacent content area for balancing. Other pictures have similar issues, though to a less degree, with their clear-cut edges. Fading instead of sliding in the slide show also reveals small differences in text placement, creating the impression of inconsistency.

    Spacing issues all over the place. Some gaps are ridiculously large while in other places logically distinct components are squeezed together.

    The round red bar near the bottom appears to be a mistake left there unnoticed. It does not serve any apparent purpose.

    Facebook iframe at the bottom has terrible contrast.

    Long lists of customizations look cool to some, but new comers to the barebone land will freak out. "More Info" is not very helpful/friendly with a simple line of no information or a wall of tl;dr tiny text.

    The pictures for laptop sleeves and cases are black again, clear cut, and don't even cover the full width. No offense, but this reminds me of some of the homework designs from kids in high school.

    Comparing different models in the same category is no easy task. You have to read tiny text here and there instead of enjoying a organized list ordered in performance/price/generation with important spec differences shown.

    Some typo-like issues. For example, if both LCD options are matte, why is the first bold and the second not?

    I have no idea what's the ratio of experienced barebone users in your customer base. If most of them are barebone veterans how your website looks doesn't matter anyway. Otherwise poor designs make newcomers' journey even more scary.


    Unrelated: I really like your idea of making a "black edition". While some other resellers do offer logo-less options they get buried in long customization lists, so many people are not aware of it. For your black edition, can you get rid of the stickers below the keyboard as well?
     
  2. dquancey

    dquancey Notebook Consultant

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    Wow, someone is bored.
     
  3. ironminded

    ironminded Notebook Enthusiast

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    Stupid idea [but hey, I'm bored waiting on my 8250S to ship] - what would happen to the cooling on one of these machines if I had a custom bottom plate [such as the access panel to the GPU/CPU bay] fab'ed out of aluminium/steel/copper?

    Just kicking around ideas, and thought it might be interesting to see what if any effect having a metal [better for conducting heat away from the components] bottom surface.

    I have no idea what this would cost [probably a lot] but it would be interesting to take the access panel to the GPU/CPU bay in to a custom metal fab and have them fabricate a version in aluminum or copper or steel to see what happens ...
     
  4. mythlogic

    mythlogic Company Representative

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    Can't speak for Sager, but the $$ floated to us by Clevo for getting that done (Custom trackpad), was just NOT worth the investment (It was around 50K'ish) would rather them sink the money into a BIOS / EC where you can selectively disable things lol.
     
  5. Dragon_Xtype

    Dragon_Xtype Newbie

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    It would take longer for the Fans to kick on probably. I have yet to have my gpu temp to go over the 62-63 range, lid closed 21inch monitor connected.
     
  6. Scerate

    Scerate Notebook Evangelist

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    So i just got my P150SM too but i'm really disappointed, i think that thing just can't handle that 780m actually :( mine goes almost instant to 94°C and then backs it's clocks down to about 500mhz which actually sucks to be honest, i tried BF3 and Serious Sam 3 both causing the card to instant throttle, i actually reapplied thermal paste 3 times now, 2x PK-1 and 1x AS5 and i'm not in the mood to send it back. Damn i just wanted to get the real powerhouse for mobile gaming :p
     
  7. CoolPrizes

    CoolPrizes Notebook Consultant

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    Whoa, 50k.... o_O

    So you guys had to pay Clevo extra for that custom BIOS? :eek:
    Or did you just do that yourselves. I'm guessing the latter.
     
  8. mythlogic

    mythlogic Company Representative

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    We are a full AMI Aptio house (The people who make the BIOS code) so we've already paid them $$ for tools that help in that regard, we've also had to pay for some external help there as well lol. So yea paying our annual license fees to be able to make BIOS's with options or a custom trackpad, yea lets just say BIOS all day everyday lol
     
  9. dquancey

    dquancey Notebook Consultant

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    Mine does the same, few others I've spoke to does the same also. Not sure that I get any kind of throttling though.
    Going to give it another test tonight to see. I know I get 94degrees during BF3
     
  10. ironminded

    ironminded Notebook Enthusiast

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    It would be interesting to see if those who are having heat issues are running 8250's or 8250S's - I'm just wondering if the repast [upgrade to IC] that came with the 8250S's is what is making the difference? The only other possibility I can think of [besides hardware issues] is bad/old drivers?
     
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