*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

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  1. Wendell Augusto Borges

    Wendell Augusto Borges Newbie

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    I did the same test, mine is;
    BIOS 1.9.3/180W VBIOS, nVIDIA Driver 445.87 (From Nvidia), stock clock speeds, no undervoltage and full speed fans.
    Spec`s
    Area 51M
    I7 9700K
    RTX 2080
    32gb DDR4 G.Skill 2666Mhz (Recognize 2400Mhz) (2x16)
    The program is instaled in SSD M.2 Evo 970...

    My result was 9237.. (I don`t now how to post the print in the forum)
     
  2. Helifax

    Helifax Notebook Guru

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    Yeah the RTX 2080 in the Area51m (R1) behaves so damn well in overclocking and undervolting! I am running the RTX 2080 at 1800mhz Core constant - 0.850V on Balanced Fans ( Max Fan speed in Balanced Mode is the same as Performance Fan Speed BTW) and I never get in the 75 Celsius Thermal Throttle.
    I did a lot of testing with unlocking the thermal point up to 87C and Full Speed Fans with 1950Mhz Core and 0.975V (Requires the 200W video Bios to prevent the Power Throttle). While my FPS went up by a MAXIMUM of 2 FPS in all games I tested.
    This doesn't justify the EXTRA Temperature (85 Celsius Max - Avg. 83 Celsius from 74 Celsius Max - Avg 70 Celsius) and 50W of extra power (195W compared to 145W) just for 2 extra FPS.
    Sure, it matters in benchmarks like 3D Mark - to get a score as high as 12K Timespy - but in gaming it doesn't matter since you are already running well above 100+ FPS on native resolution, or between 35-60 FPS in heavy games with RTX FULL and DLSS like Metro Exodus, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Control to name a few.

    CPU wise, the i9-9900k can very well run at 5.0Ghz on 2 cores and 4.7Ghz on all 8 Cores/16 Threads if you apply a small undervolt and set the PL1, PL2 limits to something sensible -without hitting the thermal limit.
    (Out of the box my i9 9900k simply overclocked to 5.0Ghz on all cores hits 100C in my desktop on water! And I am using a dedicated 360mm radiator only for the CPU. This CPU loves to pull extra POWER for a small bump in performance like CRAZY!)

    To be fair, the cooling solution in the R1 is amazing! However, Dell/Alienware didn't make it to allow much headroom! The problem is they didn't make some tweaking and adjustments to the system. They just designed the cooling solution around the specifications, slapped the CPU & GPU inside and that was it.

    The actual problem with the GPU hitting the thermal limit is not Dell's fault, but Nvidia's! Your Nvidia GPU will basically overclock itself automatically until it reaches one of the limits: Thermal, Current or Power. The Spec says that RTX 2080 has a max boost of 1700Mhz or 1800Mhz for the Founders Edition and yet you see your card running at 2000Mhz pulling over 1.0V and then gets thermal throttled.

    Dell/Alienware should have made a default profile based on the reference spec for the GPU with a max boost of 1700-1800Mhz and CPU profile with a max 95W TDP for PL1 as the SPECIFICATIONS say! I bet since this is marketed as an enthusiast machine they hoped people will tweak the system on their own, but a lot of people out there have no idea how to do it :(

    The R2 will have the same "unlocked" and un-tweaked default behaviour that will lead to the same issue, no less. If they really want to do something useful with their Alienware OC controls they should provide a good default profile!
     
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  3. Virale

    Virale Notebook Evangelist

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    Nice!!! I run mine at 925 mV @ 1980 MHz, but it settles at 1950 MHz long term. Temps are super manageable and hardly ever break into the 80's. Memory is at 7500 MHz. 200W VBIOS.

    I sometimes wonder about the VBIOS and whether I should use the 180W just for lowered heat.

    Also, yeah, 9900K is a VERY power hungry chip when OC. There’s a very extensive analysis out there on temps and power draw at different clocks. Let me find it. Turns out the sweet spot is 4.7 :).

    Edit: this article; https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review/22

    There’s also this really good one for an in depth approach to overclocking your 9900K in the best way: https://www.tweaktown.com/guides/9225/intel-core-i9-9900k-kf-overclocking-guide/index.html
     
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  4. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    You will get less thermal headroom if you with a brush stroke change specs over night. Design the cooling for 180w Gpu power and 118.75w Cpu PL1 power limit and then change specs after the hardware design and the machines is pushed out... What did you expect?

    https://twitter.com/AzorFrank/status/1097696304950587397?s=20
    You mean less is more? For the RTX 2080 Mobile.... None is able to boost above 2100. With better cooling you wouldn't hit thermal limit with the capped boost clock
    Alienware have always marketed their laptops as enthusiast machines. Nothing special for the Area-51m.
     
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  5. Helifax

    Helifax Notebook Guru

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    [QUOTE="Papusan]
    You mean less is more? For the RTX 2080 Mobile.... None is able to boost above 2100. With better cooling you wouldn't hit thermal limit with the capped boost clock
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    That is very true. But the official spec states the RTX 2080 Boost clock is 1700Mhz not anything higher. They designed the cooling around this, it sems.
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/
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  6. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    The engineers get hardware samples and specs sheet for boost algorytms while they design cooling. Same from Intel/AMD. What we get on the web of specs isn't what the engineers have in hand.

    If you followed the 8 pipes dream you could also see that they easly can make new revisions of cooling(doesn't necessarily mean better). The pipe from Gpu over to the Cpu side was removed. This will help the Cpu cooling. But the GPU part will lose cooling capacity (due unified design).

    And as I pointed out. They make changes over night after the design is finished and the machines i out for sales.
     
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  7. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Can you post your Fire Strike score for us to compare?

    You can share the image by uploading it on this site: https://imgbox.com/

    then copy/paste the BB Code
     
  8. JonJadot

    JonJadot Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm curious to what your temps were. I just did a run with 180w vbios, bios 1.10 all stock speeds with a score of 9840. same cpu/gpu. cpu maxed at 78 and gpu of course 74.
     
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    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Here you go:

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    and here it is with a +20 MHz Overclock on the GPU Core/+150 MHz overclock for the GPU Memory and +100 MHz on the CPU:

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  10. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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