NP8851 vs NP8954

Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Radman365, May 17, 2018.

  1. Radman365

    Radman365 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I just got my Sager NP8851 on Monday, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. One of my friends was looking at it and was considering buying one, however it looks like the NP8851 has been replaced by the NP8954. Spec wise it looks identical but does anyone know if the chassis has changed? If so is it an improvement over the 8851?

    Also, my 8851 seems to be running quite well with the cooling so far, but has anyone run some tests to see temperatures under heavy gaming?

    TIA
     
  2. Support.3@XOTIC PC

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    Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing but in a P955 form factor instead of a P950.
     
  3. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    There are free programs out there which can let you check out the temps. Get HWinfo64, 3Dmark firestrike, Prime95 and see for yourself how the temperatures etc are.

    Also I would recommend the MSI GS 65 over your Clevo every time. Your friend could consider that one instead.
     
  4. ahmad hendeh

    ahmad hendeh Notebook Evangelist

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    The gigabyte aero 15x is supreme in the 1070 max q category. Having the 90W 1070 and better thermals than the msi gs65

    The sager also has a place in the market because its simply 770$ cheaper on msrp (1529$ vs 2300$)
     
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    Thanks for the inputs. I wish I'd seen the MSI those are nice specs however I've never been a fan of MSI's restrictions on opening the case. I shouldn't have to risk my warranty just because I want to clean some dust out or upgrade memory down the road.
    My friend also wants the sager as was rightly pointed out the other options are far more expensive. I know there are arguments for paying more for a better spec laptop, however you can only use what money you have. Sager has been a solid investment for many of my friends, theirs have been working fine for many years of gaming.
     
  6. ahmad hendeh

    ahmad hendeh Notebook Evangelist

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    The sager is a nice laptop for its price point. But I feel obliged to tell you it uses an inferior gtx 1070 max q. The normal 1070 max-q is as fast as a normal1070n

    Laptop the use the 1070 max q 80w version
    All msi and sager laptops

    Laptops that use the much more powerful 90-100w version

    Aero 15x* and asus gx501vs

    This laptop uses single channel ram so the card isnt running at its full potential.

    Reference scores (3dmark fire strike graphics)
    1070 desktop - 17.2k
    1070 Notebook - 16.5k
    1070 max q 90w - 16.1k
    1070 max q 80w - 14.6k
     
  7. Danishblunt

    Danishblunt Notebook Virtuoso

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    You drunk. Stop it.

    On average a GTX 1070N scores around 17.1points, while MSI models even get around 19K (same as desktops).
     
  8. ahmad hendeh

    ahmad hendeh Notebook Evangelist

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    Aorus X5 v7 real 1070 + i7 7820hk

    Screenshot_20180518-173517_Samsung Internet.jpg
    Asus zephryus gx501vs 90w max 1070 + i7 7700hq(so the Aorus X5 v7 has the advantage in the cpu department)

    Screenshot_20180518-173414_Samsung Internet.jpg the p950hr gtx 1070 80w + i7 7700hq
    Screenshot_20180518-173648_Samsung Internet.jpg

    The 1070 FE is around 17.2k graphics score.how can you say that the 90w max q isn't on par with the 1070N when its within 1% performance of the 1070N in the Aorus X5 v7 and asus gl502vs and alianware laptops ! . I dont care if that titan can clock 2ghz . As long as the max q 90w matches a good number of 1070 laptops the version is on par.


    Nvidia produced two versions from each max q. One that is almost on par with real thing due to running at the absoulte point of efficiency and another thats for companies who wanted to go balls in with the slim designs



    The 1070 max q 90 w has a power limit of 100w(and a so called "target"of 90w) thats the EXACT SAME TDP ALIANWARE USES FOR THERE normal 1070. While the **** 1070 max q uses a target and a limit of 80w

    Thats why no body complains about the 1060 max q. Dell is using the 70w version
     
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  9. Danishblunt

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    Thats why I said average and MSI, I don't count in castrated notebooks like the Gigabyte.
    Here stock GE 73VR fresh from notebookcheck:
    [​IMG]

    MSI notebooks have TDP of 150 on their GTX 1070 and other notebooks have stock TDP on 115W.

    Alienware also scores around 17.6K in firestrike. here

    Acer Predator scoring 16.7K here

    So yeah I would appreciate if you claim something that you start sourcing your claims because you obviously like to make silly things up, which will mislead people.
     
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  10. ahmad hendeh

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    Look at how many photots I have provided . And not all 1070 alianware are limited to 100w

    Yes, but your feeding a 1070N 33% more power to get 9% more performance. The overwhelming majority of notebooks dont have a 150w tdp. So my statement about the gtx 1070 max q 90w version . The real castrated version is the 80w 1070 . That trash runs at 1240mhz WHEN OVERCLOCKED !!!!!
     
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