Notebooks vs Desktops in 2020

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Neatman, Dec 30, 2019.

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  1. thegreatsquare

    thegreatsquare Notebook Deity

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    Cooling is extremely important. My previous two [7805u & G73jh] and current [MSI GT72] were all dual HSFs and I've never had a gaming laptop under seven pounds.

    ...funny how only my first [SLi1] was without dual HSFs when it was a SLI config with the two GPUs sandwiching the heat pipes ...and it still had to cool the CPU ...and l OC'd the GPUs +10% ...and it somehow still works the last I checked.
     
  2. Deks

    Deks Notebook Prophet

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    Indeed, but we have evidence of laptop cooling that is on par or even surpasses some desktops.
    The most notable example is Acer Helios 500 PH517-61 with Ryzen 2700 and Vega 56.
    That unit has monstrous cooling which can put some desktops to shame under full load no less (where temperatures don't exceed 65 degrees C), and is one of the quietest laptops ever built (even compared to some desktops).

    And yes, while the unit in question is relatively thick, its still highly portable (more so in comparison to an actual desktop) - and gives you desktop level performance in a mobile 17" unit.

    This only goes to show that OEM's can indeed build laptops with cooling that is not only adequate to allow internal hw to run at its maximum indefinitely (or basically, as long as you need full blown performance) but is also quiet.

    Most OEM's however don't really do this though, and they end up cutting corners which results in insufficient cooling along with thermal throttling.

    Also, while sizes of laptops are different and a limiting factor for 'conventional cooling', OEM's barely moved beyond conventional implementation of cooling which hadn't been advanced in the last 20 years or so (and not because its impossible, but mainly because OEM's don't see it as too important or too cost prohibitive to bother with).

    In cases of thin and light laptops, OEM's should really focus on using cooling and chassis made from better materials which would allow the internal hw to run as it should at all times even when fully stressed.
    Apple for instance uses a full body chassis made of metal which acts like a giant heatsink... something which other laptop manufacturers might take into account and use better material composites for example (carbon based).

    The standard cooling which uses rotating fans is also highly outdated.
    Various concepts for better cooling were introduced over the past decade, none of which were implemented into laptops as far as I'm aware (one was a fanless fan essentially, and the other worked similar to a human lung).

    Today however, with Zen 2 mobile being released into the mobile world, you have desktop grade performance inside a laptop.

    The 4800H for example is a 45W TDP APU with 8c/16th which will in all likelihood be comparable to a desktop Ryzen 3600 in multithreaded tasks.

    Higher end laptops will probably incorporate full blown 65W TDP desktop CPU's such as 3700x and 3900 (non x) with mid to high end GPU's (such as 5700 and above).

    And Zen 2 should allow for more affordable gaming laptops.
    So, the apparent difference between a laptop an desktop is fading now, but is still there of course.

    Laptop OEM's need to be taken into account as their quality control and cooling implementations can be problematic, but I'm hoping Zen 2 will shift things around (only time will tell).
     
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  3. Mr.MSI

    Mr.MSI Newbie

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    I am really hoping that the laptop OEM continue to push the limits, I am a fan of the mobility that comes with the perofmrance laptop. The Zen 2 sounds amazing, I am very excited for the future.
     
  4. willhub

    willhub Notebook Geek

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    There is always going to be a gap due to thermals, unless you can get watercooling in a laptop mainstream. But still, heavy rads won't be desirable.
    To me it's AMAZING that you can get GTX1080 desktop performance and higher in a laptop!
     
  5. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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  6. jc_denton

    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    "If laptops with the older RTX 2070 Max-Q or RTX 2080 Max-Q have the potential to outperform their newer Super Max-Q variants, then it calls into question if the Super Max-Q series was ever needed in the first place."

     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    When new tech transforms into worse than last years. Should it be called progress? Not only Max-Q Super is a mess.

    Embarrassing for Intel: A Core i7-10510U with below-average performance can be slower than the two-year-old Core i5-8250U notebookcheck.net

    The Acer TravelMate P215 is perhaps smaller and lighter than the model from last year, but not faster despite the brand new Core i7 Comet Lake U CPU from Intel's 10th processor generation.

    This is probably disappointing for anyone who had hoped for a leap in performance, but one could also argue that mobility and connectivity play a bigger role in office laptops than pure performance.
     
  8. cj_miranda23

    cj_miranda23 Notebook Evangelist

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    I loved my 3 year old laptop but thinking about what could have I got with the money I used to buy it makes me ask my sanity and made realized what a waste of money that was for my intention of use w/c is gaming!. I could have assembled an 8core/TI level desktop, bought xbox, ps4 and switch one time while having enough to buy a high end monitor.:confused:
     
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  9. kylera

    kylera Notebook Consultant

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    Well, if performance is the sole or main factor, a laptop will NEVER be the first pick.

    What I’ve come to realize is that a laptop begins to make sense only when (potentially niche) personal circumstances begin to play a role. I recently paid for a customized Alienware and with the money I spent, I probably could’ve gotten a desktop with twin 2080 Super in SLI and a generous amount of overclockable RAM and SSD storage.

    But I still went with this because I’m an expatriate far away from home on annual contracts that are not 100% guaranteed to give me an extension, and with this kind of uncertainty especially in today’s environment, reselling or shipping components back home would be a stressful event. Or hell, maybe my career prospects could improve and I’ll find myself becoming an expat somewhere else. Same logistics issue.
     
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  10. cj_miranda23

    cj_miranda23 Notebook Evangelist

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    I genuinely understand your situation since I'm in the same boat and also had the same reason why I bought mine, but with SFF supporting high end pc parts partnering it with 25" monitor plus a large suite case, there might be a hope for us:D. The only tricky part will be the monitor. Fitting it securely inside a large suitcase will be a problem and a challenge!
     
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