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  1. lxsys

    lxsys Notebook Consultant

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    Hmm. Is the phone roaming by any chance? I know mine wakes up when it roams off of its home network. It could also be another wakeup event generated by the GSM module when its received commands from the network.

    See what it does without a SIM card and report back.
     
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    Seurat Newbie

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    Hurrah! That looks to be the answer. I've tried an Orange sim in one and no sim in the other, in place of my usual Virgin sim and both switch off and stay off, with negligible battery use.

    Where does this leave me though? In need of a new phone or new sim/network? Or is there a phone setting that will stop Virgin/T-Mobile roaming all the while?
     
  3. lxsys

    lxsys Notebook Consultant

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    Thought so. My cf-p2 gets woken up when I enabled roaming on the orange/t-mobile partnership.
    As a hackish hack solution, go into settings>phone>network and select preferred networks. Under there, untick the networks that your home network may roam to, and select ok. (Leave your home network ticked) If that still doesnt work, try setting network selection to manual - and if you're still not having any luck, try contacting your operator to get roaming services disabled on your sim card.
     
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    Windows CE (/Mobile) is a completely integrated operating system, this means that the kernel and all the drivers are packed into one binary image.

    All the Windows CE versions, ever, are made by the owners of the design.
    This is why the revision numbers (Settings->About-> "Build 15077.3.0.0") are always made by the manufacturer.
    I've never seen anyone on xda-developers dodging that bullet.

    So, unless Panasonic decides to buy a new version from Microsoft (send all the data and get back a special custom MSDOS.SYS for your phone), all the images that can be made for this phone will be "Build 15077.3.0.0".

    Unless somebody finds some other Intel PXA device with incredibly similar hardware that just might run. But that usually only happens on devices like HTC that are sold by the millions not just to British Gas.

    Same deal with host USB. You need total total total control over your USB port, if the chipset supports it, good luck getting through Microsoft HAL.


    For these dreams to come into reality at the least start with an Android device, which runs Linux as a kernel. It's generally known that Dalvik VM (Android as you know it) runs on a wide variety of Linux kernels.

    Only the phone manufacturers won't (ever) release their information about the phone, they shouldn't, because there are numerous patents and (US/EU) export laws for encryption.
    Not even the Nokia N900 allows distribution of the binary phone driver and that's the best documented phone platform I've ever seen.

    /rant

    I like the phone, although I keep being amazed by it's sheer size.
    I was expecting to find a WiFi card, too bad there is none.

    Has anybody had any luck finding one?
    Or maybe an example of an SDIO card that fits with the lid shut?

    One more thing I'm amazed by is the lack of a hands-free option in the dialer, could it be possible to switch a conversation to the speaker on the back?

    Like any other WM phone I've ever had, there's a very fine line between on and suspend (/off). Will have to get used to the option without backlight. Though it is actually possible to play audio with the device suspended, this has caused me quite some headaches before.

    And remember, if your Windows CE device ever gives up on you, just put it in a nice and dry space, charge it for a day with the stock charger and reboot it three times.
    After that nothing can go wrong.
     
  5. lxsys

    lxsys Notebook Consultant

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    I asked Panasonic if they'd kindly slip a BSP my way a while ago when I wanted to get Windows CE6 running on my CF-P2. Unfortunately Panasonic declined.

    The WiFi wasn't a card or anything, unfortunately it was a chip soldered to the mainboard. Its in the schematics if you're interested, but good luck sourcing down all the parts.
    What was included however, was support for Pegasus based WiFi devices in the system image, so any SDIO compatible card based on the Pegasus chipset should theoretically work straight away with the CF-P2, although I don't own such a creature so I can't confirm this.
    Since a full-sized SD fits in the slot quite nicely with the door shut, you might get away with a MiniSD sized SDIO wifi card, with a converter to bring it up to full size. I saw plenty of ebayers last year selling such cards.

    As for your point about handsfree, I'd recommend you check those schematics because I've got a suspicion that the GSM board hooks straight into the speakers via minimal components and barely touches the system - your switch idea sounds viable. Hey, I might even break out my soldering iron over the weekend and see.

    Good luck!
     
  6. tkteun

    tkteun Newbie

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    @lxsys:
    I don't think Mickeysoft would approve either, with their WP7 in the pipelines...

    I think you misunderstood me on the switching to hands-free. On the WM5 devices I'm familiar with, there's an in-call screen for the dialer. And there's a hands-free button right next to the note and mute button which switches the audio to the external speaker and disables the ACG muting on the microphone.

    But yes, I'm interested in the schematics, you have them you say?

    PS. Please don't just quote the previous post, never quote complete posts.
     
  7. lxsys

    lxsys Notebook Consultant

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    @tkteun

    Hmm, it has been a while since I played around deeply with my CF-P2, but taking a look at the block diagram here, whilst its not rock solid proof that I'm correct, it shows the Siemens MC55 board with a rough connection to the "Mic/Amp/Speaker".
    From what I'm aware, the CF-P2 doesn't have the usual Qualcomm culprits, instead Panasonic opted for using a Siemens module. The advantages of that would be you just have to chuck a few bits of serial here and there to the MC55, and its doing stuff. The usual suspects would require somewhat more effort to integrate.

    Yes, I have the schematics. PM me your email, or preferred upload site if you're interested in having a look.
     
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    No, I wasn't scared of seeing a Qualcomm on Matsua premises... :)

    But they could've used a Ti OMAP platform, more like my old HTC Wizard. Wouldn't match the speed of an Intel, but it would definitely reduce the amount of circuitboards in this device.
    Well, it's nice knowing I'm actually using a trusted Siemens once again, too bad quality and marketing never mix.

    But this would also explain the low in-call volume people keep having.

    PS. Hmm... Is it me or is the PM option very well hidden on this forum? Maybe because I'm a 'n00b' I'm not allowed?
     
  9. toughasnails

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    The PM option is there for me but not you :D ...yet . Welcome to the nut house, according to NBR you need 20 post to be able to PM other member BUT it really is 5...they update the forum at midnight so you should be OK tomorrow.
     
  10. tkteun

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    Well then, I should start spamming some more :)
     
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