New Sandy Bridge CPUs

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  1. ganzonomy

    ganzonomy Notebook Deity

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    Well, according to Sager's site, laptops such as the NP8150 and NP8170 have received the 2nd-phase of sandybridge CPUs. From what I can see, there's a 2760qm @ 2.4GHz, a 2860qm at 2.5ghz, and a 2960qm at 2.7ghz. I wonder though if these new cpus are more than just clockspeed upgrades.

    Source: NP8150 Configurator
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    what's xtu? 10chars

    and it seems the 3d model can only be had with a nvidia gtx 560m / 485m / 580m. no ati.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    XTU is the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility program that is needed to be able to use the unlocked multipliers at all. It directly writes parameters into a part of the bios and thus bios support for XTU is mandatory to be able to use it...which is disabled on 3D model...so i can`t even undervolt it :(

    YES on internal monitor 3D is Nvidia only...
     
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    aww man, just got my laptop finally with a 2820 and now its 200mhz x 4 behind already... I hate technology! haha it moves too damn fast. Wouldn't be as bad if I didnt get the first laptop in July only to wait until the last day of Aug to get it replaced due to doa. (Thanks Sager! :( ) I could have at least said I had it 2 months and was current. No, I had it 3 days now and its behind and I couldn't even return it because they wasted my return period.

    Now got slower CPU and dead pixel on new screen lol
     
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    I gather it's a BIOS lock. The NP8170 and NP8150 share the same GPU / CPU configurations, and while it's great that Clevo produces a truly portable laptop that can keep up fps for fps with about 85% to 90% of available desktops on the market, even a ODM notorious for producing exceptional factory cooling designs has to draw a line to how much power a laptop should consume. Case in point: the NP7282 can be configured with two PSUs @ 300w per PSU for a total of 600w. The reason is that the i7-990x with SLi'd videocards would trip the single PSU under heavy benchmarking (ie: Furmark and wPrime at the same time); with enough complaints being recorded that Clevo / Sager were compelled to offer the 2nd PSU as a standardized option.

    When we get to the NP8170 / NP8150s, we're no longer in the realm of a computer whose battery essentially functions as an uninterruptible power supply, but rather a computer that's expected to be stable day-to-day be it playing NFS: SHIFT 2, CRYSIS, DIRT 3, etc.; or sitting on an office desk being used to numbercrunch excel's calculaitons. With this comes portability. It's enough to tote a 180w or 220w PSU, but with each laptop PSU weighing anywhere from 2 to 3 lbs, if xtu were to be enabled, what's to say that overclockig wouldn't require the purchase of a splitter and a 2nd psu (another 3 lbs) to carry? If the presence of 1 PSU and XTU were to cause trips, and possibly component damage, then Sager / Clevo would have a great deal of liabilities unless every warranty explicitly exempted XTU use from warranty protection, and that would be tricky to prove (unless someone decided to ridiculously overclock the CPU).

    So it's not that Sager doesn't want its clientele to overclock their rigs, but more that Sager has its own interests to protect, as well as trying to keep a wider customer-base happy. If you're truly craving oc'ability with an unlocked multiplier / XTU, the only laptop I can think of off-hand with that is the Alienware m18x, which has SLi, an i7-2920xm that can be OC'd to a 4GHz Turboboost, but has virtually no portability like the NP7282, but is still relegated to a mobile CPU rather than the desktop cpu's the NP7282 can possess. However, Alienware is a subsidiary of DELL, and even Alienware is MANY, MANY, times bigger than Sager and could write off the liability costs of OC'd 2920xm's as "comes with the territory". Everything is a give and take. Gain performance, lose some portability. Gain stability, lose ultimate speed. But even if one can't OC a NP8170 or NP8150... there is something to be said for having the plainest laptop in the game, but the one with the biggest teeth. ;)

    Jason

    Update: the 2960xm, per LPC-Digital, seems to be unlocked... perhaps Sager is listening? ;)
     
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    See if your vendor is willing to work with you on some sort of compromise. Argue that had the first unit not been DOA, the circumstance of receiving outdated tech would not have occurred.
     
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    Problem is though its not the vendor, its Sager!

    Vendor had to fight to get them to do a whole laptop swap finally after a GPU and WiFi card swap failed.

    It sucks, vendor is like me. Stuck in middle but in the end they are just a point of sale. They cant force Sager to accept a refund, though Sager delayed the process months and first one was DOA. Who the heck sends a DOA laptop and wants to just send me parts and not offer a full exchange? Sager! And now Sager has wasted so time shipping things back and forth and what not its not cost effective for them to take a return.

    TBH the screen with 1 dead and 1 stuck pixel and still has minor red ghosting thing upsets me a bit more than anything. Last screen had no dead/stuck pixel. Funny thing is I bet had I gotten the no DOA pixel thing same crap would have happened. Would have said, well you are now outside 30 days or you have to purchase that again for the replacement.

    I really am disappointed in sager.
     
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    I don't want to go OT, but if your 95% gamut has red ghosting, it's DOA. I asked xoticpc about that and was told as such. Who'd you buy from (and then I wanna keep this on topic).
     
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    This sucks, I ordered an NP8150 a week ago with the 2820qm ... Now I am thinking of returning it before I even got it.

    Should I return it if the reseller wont change it to the 2860qm?
     
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