New Nvidia RTX 2080 and 2080 TI OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED + Preorder

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  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Tomshardware's new Editor in Chief made a fool of himself with this article:

    Just Buy It: Why Nvidia RTX GPUs Are Worth the Money
    by Avram Piltch August 24, 2018 at 9:21 AM
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-gpus-worth-the-money,37689.html

    "When your whole life flashes before your eyes, how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing?" - Avram Piltch

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    LOMAXROBERT 1 day ago
    "i dont think i have ever read a more poorly thought out reason to buy a new component with no data to back it up, "its just a dont think buy it now approach". myself im getting a bit tired of the power creep from nvidia bleeding gamers dry"

    Gamers Nexus has a great response to that article:

    Response to Tom's Hardware's Insane "Just Buy It" Post [RTX 2080]
    Gamers Nexus
    Published on Aug 24, 2018
    Tom's Hardware published an article of herculean stupidity that pertained to the idea of pre-ordering based on nothing more than promises.


    Also discussed here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-60#post-10786039

    AdoredTV has a good breakdown of the wiley nvidia marketing folks marketing slides, quoted as that Chart above by Tom's Hardware:

    Nvidia Turing Marketing Survival Guide
    AdoredTV
    Published on Aug 24, 2018
    Analyzing Nvidia's Turing Marketing Slides.
     
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    2080 TI actually looks to be pretty good. Not really ready for 8k but oh well. I think you guys complains too much...
     
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    not everything is a conspiracy
     
  4. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    "When truth fails, business can turn to a conspiracy of lies and deceptions to produce profit." - Captain Obvious

    What conspiracy do you imagine other than that?

    Update: "business" can be substituted with "politics", "religion", or any "organized" man made power structure that failing the convenience of truth relies on lies and deception to maintain power.
     
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    If you are going to "go for it" with RTX features, the 2080ti is really the only viable choice, as even with that top model 2080ti the RTX is limited to 1080p display - idk what they actually are rendering at, probably less than 1080p and upscaling to 1080p using Tensor cores - so choosing the RTX 2070 and RTX 2080 might lock you out of usable performance in games that implement RTX features.
     
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    failing? lies? deception?

    what about adaptation, morals and values. which most facets have....aka return policies



    edit i don't want to fight, but I will quote you on this when its 50 percent faster
     
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    I don't care about you being "right", no one else cares about you being "right", and you shouldn't either.

    You are guessing, you know nothing more than anyone else, so there is nothing to "Win" here by your gamble.

    Instead be informative, helpful, contribute useful information and thoughts - at least your posts will be more fun to read. ;)
     
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    fair enough, i'll work on it


    i'll end it with I know what everyone else knows.....its roughly 50 percent faster, and I say this because nvidia announced it....performance bits and all and the leaked 2060 benchmarks I stumbled across.

    kinda rude to call that gambling. was based off my source/ that I shared/that is that

    I wonder why it even matters in the end, so i'll close with i'm sorry and I will work on being more helpful.
     
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    This sounds about right:

    Nvidia’s RTX 2000 GPUs look like A.I. hardware dressed up for gamers

    Jon Martindale | August 25, 2018
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-rtx-graphics-cards-ai/
     
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    OP's advice is truly the best advice. Wait for actual benchmarks. No need for gambling or guessing, or wasting some poor vendors (and your) time returning.

    The benefits of waiting in this case far outweigh the potential upside of jumping cash-first without knowing what's going on.

    I would go a bit further and suggest not pre-ordering now and not buying on release, unless there are enough reviews with believable results available before putting money down on a new RTX card.

    Give people time to get used to the new cards and settings to optimize their results as well, it's going to take some time for people to figure things out - like what resolution Nvidia is really rendering at to get inflated 4k results with DLSS.

    Right now the only model that seems worth getting for RTX is the 2080ti, because the results the 2080ti in ray-tracing mode are so sad I can only imagine how much worse the RTX 2070 / RTX 2080 will be if their Tensor / RT cores performance is less than the 2080ti.

    But, we don't know because there are no qualified testing and benchmarking from independent sources to compare RTX performance between models for confidence in the results we would see.

    For that matter, even hard core AI people that hope to benefit from RTX Tensor features in consumer GPU's don't know if the capabilities have been hobbled compared to the professional and data center versions - a happy trick Nvidia likes to pull to protect it's higher cost SKU's.

    Too many unknowns to pull the trigger on a purchase before knowing the product well enough, way too many.

    Nvidia didn't help themselves by being their usual "playful" selves with their keynote and marketing materials released since.

    There's nothing Nvidia could have done short of being completely transparent and honest in their presentations. Now, I am sure they would say they were, and did just that, but the results of their work are poor at best - not many people believe them. For being so smart, they've outsmarted themselves once again.

    I wonder how it will play out this time? What "feature" or "misfeature" will be the downfall for Nvidia this time?

    There are so many visible opportunities for failure to disclose this time, and I wouldn't want to rule out the opportunity for completely unseen unmentioned gotcha's in the RTX realm.

    Thank you to Nvidia for providing so much entertainment before the product even arrives. :p
     
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