NEW!! Alienware Area-51M LAPTOP!! (to replace alienware 15 and 17)

Discussion in '2015+ Alienware 13 / 15 / 17' started by QUICKSORT, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. nickbarbs

    nickbarbs Notebook Deity

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    Long time Alienware / dell customer here, and much like Mr. Fox I am severely skeptical about this new release and really have zero fomo here. I can basically guarantee you that you will be paying a huge premium to be a beta tester for Dell.
    There's a reason why I only buy outlet machines now, and when the product has matured through a few iterations. (I got my current machine for 2175$ off the outlet - something coming close is priced at 3100$ for 51M with 1 year support)
    Prices go down and stability goes up a few iterations after a new form factor release. This is a guarantee
    Dell always has shown they will ship systems with small bugs or poor QA and count on paying customers to raise them to them and only when MULTIPLE customers raise those and start taking to social media.

    I have gotten so burned so many times listening to the hype from Dell / Alienware and paying full price for a new machine form factor, only to find that in practice there's an experience destroying bug or limitation I need to accept, or wait for a fix, or whatever.

    With this particular new form factor you're being asked to pay a hefty premium and take the following on faith from dell;
    1. CPU Form factor won't change next year with intel desktop chips, requiring a full motherboard swap to actually take advantage of that (dell will be the only ones selling you that mobo)
    2. GPU, still not a full desktop GPU, may or may not be upgradeable later;
    3. Screen lottery is back on, and while only 1080p now, a 1440p or uh screen or whatever nicer screen is almost guaranteed to be around the corner;
    4. Chassis weight savings in the laptop are basically nullified by having to carry multiple adapters. I can guarantee you the next iteration of this thing will have one hefty adapter, and first gen users will be the only poor people carrying around two adapters.

    From a practical perspective we're being asked to take a risk that actually, this modular thing may need an overhaul later. practically speaking that is zero benefit vs a BGA machine where the motherboard, cpu, and video card are all tied to the same fate. You have the risk here that the same thing happens, how angry would customers be if actually, you need Gen 2 Area 51m to use the new desktop CPUs, and actually, we aren't able to add the 3080 into the dell form factor because it requires XY power draw or cooling or new heat sinks or whatever. The % chance that this can go wrong in my view is way higher than % chance dell will deliver on all their aspirations ( note: they even don't guarantee you can upgrade past this gen GPUs.)

    My advice to any of you is to keep your money and wait for the real life reviews of this thing, actually save your money and wait until the 2nd iteration comes out. No way i'm paying to be a beta tester. From the $ I saved I can buy a full desktop 2080 for the AGA and resell it later for minimal loss vs investing in this unknown longevity form factor with no resell market for the dell proprietary parts. My two cents, please just take it as a friendly concern.
     
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  2. VoodooChild

    VoodooChild Notebook Consultant

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    Amen to this! Very well said!

    Long time Dell/AW users will know that Dell has never/ever released a fully functional desktop replacements. It's because of forums like these that the system runs to its acceptable capacity and without people like Mr Fox and Papusan and countless others, their systems would still throttle like a cheap old car.
    I am very much hyped by this system and will buy it when there are more screen options available but there's is no way in hell I'm shelling out 4k for this probable lemon!

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  3. nickbarbs

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    I'm hopeful but I know for sure, i'm not touching this until a full 2-3 year cycle is done, and dell proves that this upgrade approach will work and give options down the line. I'll let them fix the first few rounds of fixes coming from " in the field " repairs and customer feedback, that's all. Just watch out, the margins are HUGE on this thing and I just don't see the value yet.
     
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  4. dodgehemi0

    dodgehemi0 Notebook Evangelist

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    Lol by then there will be a new version. Who knows what issues it will have..


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  5. Rengsey R. H. Jr.

    Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept

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    No matter what the vendors put out, it will never satisfy your needs or requirements. Remember it’s a portable gaming computer, not a desktop ...

    No matter how hard they go through R&D to provide what enthusiast wants in a laptop , you guys will not get satisfied. What’s the point of complaining year after year?

    Its like you are working at a job, and you are doing your best and gave all you got , but your manager is never satisfied.

    Stop complaining and just move on. It’s not your cup of tea.
     
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  6. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKS = That sucks! Dont waste $$$$$ on FILTHY

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    From the service manual for the Area 51m. You will find pict of an unknown heatsink with one less shared pipes.
    upload_2019-1-23_11-13-47.png

    vs.

    8 pipes 7 pipes heatsink
    upload_2019-1-23_11-12-5.png

    Edit.
    If you look closer in the manual you can also see that Dell also with this model skipped use of heatspreader on PCH chips. And many of the previous Aw models had high PCH temp around 90C. Probably no place they could add a mounting mecanism for it on the MB.
    upload_2019-1-23_11-27-30.png

    Clevo use heatspreader/heatsink for PCH on their laptops with socket cpu. And I have never seen awful temps from it.
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. rinneh

    rinneh Notebook Prophet

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    I think this is the case for some users indeed. and i respect that. different users have different needs. I do value the complaints about poor QC. But if the laptop just isnt your cup of tea, let it be. But this is the issue, a lot of issues do come forth because of the bad QC.
     
  8. XxAcidSnowxX

    XxAcidSnowxX Notebook Geek

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    Good catch! - I wonder if they are using different heatsyncs for different configs i7 vs i9 . . . . I saw someone mention this in the past but it was hard to believe, but this comparison shines more light on it . . . it going to be such a shame for the people that bought lower end models with the hopes of upgrading cpu later . . . . that means they'll have to buy a replacement heatsync too . . .
     
  9. ThatOldGuy

    ThatOldGuy Notebook Virtuoso

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    The config is different, but the # of heat pipes is the same at 7. It looks like it is controlled by GPU choice maybe? The CPU heat pipes are the same in both
     
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    cope123abc Notebook Consultant

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    I can't see how a tiny heat spreader on the PCH is gonna hold down a 9900k + 2080 overclocked... but time will tell i guess
     
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