Need Help Deciding between 3 laptops

Discussion in 'What Notebook Should I Buy?' started by clayton006, Aug 6, 2021.

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Which Laptop should I pick?

Poll closed Aug 13, 2021.
  1. Alienware X17

    66.7%
  2. Razer Blade 17

    33.3%
  3. Sager / Clevo

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    0.0%
  1. clayton006

    clayton006 Notebook Evangelist

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    General Questions

    1) What is your budget?
    Under 5000

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?
    Either of these:
    Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
    Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen

    3) Which country will you buying this notebook?
    USA

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
    a. Like: Alienware, Razer, Clevo
    b. Dislike: Will not purchase HP
    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?
    No

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?
    Gaming, see below
    Lots of VM's (128GB is a plus but not required)
    Video encoding my library of Blu-Ray Discs
    Will dual-boot to use one partition for Personal, one partition will be for work

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?
    This one primarily will be moved around the house. I have a Razer Blade 14 for work. I can carry a Clevo in my roller-bag so weight isn't really a concern.

    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? (If so, please state which games or types of games?)
    Gaming Every Day (Diablo 3 each season, Fallout 76 each season)
    Gaming semi-often (Fallout 4, Division 2, Cyberpunk)

    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?
    If I don't go with Clevo, 4 hours is my target

    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?
    Online is fine, I don't need to see it first.

    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Chrome OS, etc.
    Windows 10/11

    Screen Specifics

    12) What screen resolution(s) would you prefer? (See further below for explanations.)
    Higher the better, but 1080p will be the minimum

    13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen? (See further below for explanations.)
    Either is fine

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
    Yes

    Notebook Components

    15) How much hard drive space do you need?
    I'm going to target 4TB at a minimum. I'd like the laptop to support double-sided NVMe if possible

    Timing, Warranty and Longevity


    16) When are you buying this laptop?
    Now

    17) How long do you expect to use this laptop?
    2 Years minimum

    18) How long could you afford to do without your laptop if it were to fail?
    About a week or so

    19) Would you be willing to pay significantly extra for on-site warranty, or would it be acceptable to you to have to ship the laptop to the vendor for repair with perhaps a week or more outage?
    On-Site warranty is a huge plus

    I'm trying to decide between these three laptops:

    Alienware X17

    https://tinyurl.com/97jm3u
    $3800
    Pros:
    Weight is decent at 7 lbs.
    Best Keyboard in the market (same keytravel as the old thinkpads at 1.8mm)
    165w Graphics Power
    On-Site Warranty for as long as I want it (pay monthly)
    1080p 360hz screen has a "mux" switch (Allows me to have either great battery or great performance)
    I already own two power adapters, so won't need to buy extras
    Battery Life could push 8 hours
    Cons:
    1080p screen isn't exactly high resolution
    Not a fan of the white outside color
    May not support double-sided SSD's (so limited to 2TB for each of the two slots)
    Power Adapter is heavy (330w is about 3 lbs)
    Thermals on the 11980hk CPU are a dice roll

    Razer Blade 17
    https://tinyurl.com/9jck8kav
    $4200
    Pros:
    Weight is at 6 lbs, so pretty decent for a 17 inch laptop
    Increased graphics power at 130w vs. previous generation
    I have 3 power adapters for this laptop, and my Razer Blade 14 shares the same adapter
    Supports double-sided SSD NVMe drives for 4TB per slot (two slots)
    Screen has a mux switch and is 4k 120hz which is one of the best screens
    Supports dbrand vinyl skins to keep the outside clean and protected
    Cons:
    Battery life is about 4-6 hours, better than Sager, worse than Alienware
    Razer support is awful, I'd have to buy a hardware warranty from MicroCenter or Best Buy
    230w Power adapter means that the CPU is less potent than the other options
    Keyboard is shallow but tolerable
    More expensive than the Alienware which is hard to believe

    Sager NP9672-G1 / Clevo X170KM-G
    https://tinyurl.com/hxyf8tna
    $4400
    Pros:
    Desktop CPU in a laptop, best performance I can get
    I've owned something similar to this, so I have a roller bag if it needs to travel
    165w Graphics Power that can stay cool
    Four SSD Drives that support double-sided drives. Total of 16TB of storage
    Supports 128GB of RAM
    I have one of the 780w power supplies that is used by this laptop
    Cons:
    Weight is 14 lbs.
    Battery life is about 1 hour
    Requires two power supplies (or in my case, I need a new cable for my 780w power supply)
    Screen quality is lower than the others (300hz 1080p)
    Laptop is thicc so typing for long spans of time could be a challenge
     
  2. N2ishun

    N2ishun Notebook Consultant

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    That Sager you listed will be available next week with a 4k gsync screen next week.
    Says available 8-11-21.
     
  3. clayton006

    clayton006 Notebook Evangelist

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    Yeah but I imagine this is a 60hz screen? If so, I'm not interested. If its a 120hz - 144hz screen, then maybe.
     
  4. etern4l

    etern4l Notebook Virtuoso

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    Correcting a few points regarding the x17 for you:

    Alienware X17
    Not the Best Keyboard in the market due to the layout, no tenkey
    125w Graphics Power + 40W dynamic boost which may or may not kick in
    Apparently does not support double-sided SSD's (so limited to 2TB for each of the two slots)
    Thermals on the 11980hk CPU are poor - need to repaste with LM to avoid throttling
    Inverted motherboard makes repasting more difficult
    Doesn't apply to you, but poor performance of optimus models
    Limited I/O ports
     
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    win32asmguy Moderator Moderator

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    I would also suggest considering a Dell Precision 7760 with a Quadro A4000/A5000 and the 4k 120hz screen. Some users here confirmed the specs on response time were wrong and it is actually the same as the razer blade with 4k 120hz. So that makes it the first mobile workstation shipped in a somewhat gaming friendly configuration. You can also use it at 1080p via Nvidia integer scaling so it is fairly future proof.

    I also own the X170KM. It is a beast. LPC-Digital is a good choice as you should eventually get the Prema BIOS. The 144hz Gsync screen is nice - it is an LG panel and does not have inverse ghosting issues from response time overdrive. The typing experience is fine, but I wish the right shift key were full sized instead of sharing space with the up arrow. The fan noise is very loud and sensitive to CPU load spikes, so it seems like the 11900k behaves better for me with a lower single-core speed around 4.8ghz, and PL1/PL2 capped at 95W, along with an undervolt applied. The 3080 runs comically cool under load (a real shame Clevo could not get Nvidia to allow 200W for this model). Samsung GDDR6 memory seems to overclock better than Micron from what I have heard, but its a lottery on which yours will ship with.

    Feel free to ask more questions about it if you like.
     
  6. clayton006

    clayton006 Notebook Evangelist

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    The 144hz gsync screen, I assume that is 1080p?
    I've had a LPC digital Sager system in the past so I will probably buy from them again.
     
  7. win32asmguy

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    Yes, 1920x1080. I do believe it was stated that they use multiple vendors for the panel so it may be LG or AUO.

    In theory 4k 120hz could be installed but I do not think anyone has tried yet. 2560x1440 165hz is also supposed to eventually be offered by Clevo as well.
     
  8. clayton006

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    There is some reseller offering a Clevo with a 4K 144hz option but I have yet to hear from anyone who has picked one up.
     
  9. clayton006

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    The I/O is fine. The keyboard layout I think I can get used to. Will see about thermals.
     
  10. win32asmguy

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    I think that was a mistake. Clevo has to ship the panel for it to support GSync, which they do not.
     
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