Need a Razer Blade Pro 17 2070Max-q vbios

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  1. nyichiban

    nyichiban Notebook Consultant

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    GPU Vbios update and BIOS update and now this:

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    Solid result!
     
  3. espmic86

    espmic86 Notebook Enthusiast

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    use this bios, among 30 bioses is the only only i could get working on my aero 15 oled XA with RTX 2070 MaxQ, before it was stuck at 80W, now i get 100W costantly and +15% performance, extreme clocks and almost 8000 points TIMESPY

    it's compatible with ALL RTX 2070 Cards and 100w are OK for all VRMS in ALL LAPTOPS, it's safe, just use nvflash and you are done, i link it on my drive, it's been tested and working for razer blade 15, 17, pro, dell, and gigabytes aero and aorus and all work

    just be sure your card is 1F10 and not 1F50

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-42dTo_DnSeJEMzbQbH_zngsFfqJc4SH/view?usp=sharing
     
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    what are your clocks and afterburn settings for this score? are you using the 100w bios? what's the most stable settings you could get out of it?
     
  5. espmic86

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    i found my sweet spot being from 1500mhz at 0,70v and 1600mhz at 0,75v with rams at 1625mhz reaching 100w full power this way and consistency in temps and frequencies, created a fixed voltage flattened curve in afterburner, this was should work better, never go above max TDP and have a better consistency and a better user defined higher "minimum frequency".

    What's your sweet spot with RTX 2070 MAX Q? Should i consider these findings as good enough or should be room for some improvenets more? The only think i can't really do is to higher the TDP and use other vbios but as the user of this thread said, aero is a tiny laptop and very probably we can never have good vrms enough to give more power, 100w is already maxed out....... i would love to have FIXED 100W but it looks like gigabyte aero allows only a range from minimum TDP 1 and maximum TDP 2 (in this case 90w and 100w, and there is no way to lock it, the PC defines where and how it must limit at 90w even if there is no load and no high temps sometimes it limits the card at 90w, probably when VRM are too hot? who knows... would love to find how they limit the max TDP in the main bios, which values or hardware they consider to to limit it and how... if this card would run always at 100w it would be perfect... this range cannot be overriden with or without gigabyte gaming control center installed or not, it will switch from TDP1 to TDP2 on his own, even you click on TDP2 in control center, it goes to 100w but when aero decide it's time to go to 90w it drops the card to 90w, and this is still an improvement because originally it was 80w-90w, this is the only bios i could have improvements, all other fixed 90 and 100w bios doesn't work, fixed 110 and 115w bioses runs always at 115w consuming power but frequency never go above 325mhz due to some limit they put in the main bios and hardware regulation probably... would really love some programmers and experts to find out how this machine work and to unlock this limits... at least to run a full 100w gpu all the time, even at a risk, but just for science to know what the laptop is actually doing by hardware or by software or bios to limit the card

    anyway this is my curve, anyone with a better result? i think 0,75v is somehow the sweet spot for everyone at highest frequency for a 90/100w card.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZVweniuUwqIKGSXfIOycgPC35lgd3ijR/view?usp=sharing


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZVweniuUwqIKGSXfIOycgPC35lgd3ijR/view?usp=sharing

    the nice thing is that now the cards runs minimum 200mhz above the maximum boost clock, as close as to a normal 2070, but flattening the curve GPUZ shows like if the card is underclocked, but real measurements in hwinfo show insane clocks at a low voltage and low temperatures, take a look

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxUY43X2I1DNbLZa1OVqhp0CgiZil7pc/view?usp=sharing
     
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  6. Zill

    Zill Notebook Consultant

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    I had a look at the vbios on your drive (thanks by the way) and it seems to be the same as the razer 90W vbios, in the PascalTDPTweaker app it says Target 90W Limit:100W which means for me who has the early 2019 Blade 15 with 8750H it will still be stuck at 90W all the time.... :(

    Also the normal version of nvflash won't flash the 2070aero100W.rom even with -6 command unlike the 100W Razer vbios so I don't know if it's worth trying to use the patched nvflash since you seem to mostly be stuck at 90W most of the time on your Aero 15 if I understand correctly.

    I think I just have to admit defeat, the 8750H Blades are just stuck at 90W
     
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    The One you found on my drive is actually the razer 100w bios, which is 90-100w as well and not 100w fixed. In your case you get stuck to 90w because it has a range from 90 to 100w.

    In my case I could get costant 100w by fixing the voltage in afterburner so it never goes over 100w and aero doesn't go in safe mode decreasing it to 90, locked 1725 MHz at 0,80v and I get costant 100w (look at impressive results on my drive) with minimum 1500mhz at 0,7v to max 1725mhz , never goes down, got firestrike and timespy as well as real gaming and unigine heaven 4 the same results of 2070. Even Hp omen 17 with a full 2070 has lower results.

    Also there is no risk in flashing, I flashed f50 bioses over f10 and viceversa with device and board difference (2070 max q and full and viceversa) and had no problem flashing back also because you start the pc the internal graphic so even in safe mode (but no need) you have inactive dGPU, if failed flash GPUZ doesn't see any value and you just use nvflash to flash again whatever bios you want, it s really safe no way to brick anything since there is an integrated grqphic card to boot...

    Costant 4ghz on 9750h 12 threads is unbeleabable... Imagine that my main full size pc has a 9900KS and a super oberxlocked 2080 ti and gets just double the score of the laptop... This laptop can game 4k constantly everything , otherwise in some games just go 1080p... I m using the laptop for gaming due to intensive performance and great oled in mobility instead of my main rig because the performance there are useless and I play on TN, the quality and experience absurdly is better on the laptops on the pc I get double fps but useless since I have enough with laptop and can play with oled, wireless hs70 headphone and wireless mouse and Xbox elite pad... Really the best gaming laptop ever since it's the smallest and cheapest and with great oled panel and tweaked has same performances of a really big and heavy Alienware which gives you the same performance but bad battery life and no mobility and no oled configurations on the nicest and affordable units, to not talk about the fact it costs the double... Really never enjoyed a gaming laptop like this in 15 years, had always something for not using the laptop, laptop always had compromises... In this case NO! I prefer gaming here with stunning performances (69-129 fps in shadow of tomb raider at 1080p?? Crazy... Ah, and playing in 1080p has no impact on quality, the rescaling is absolutely not noticeable, I can say at raw eyes you don't even see the difference of 4k on a 15" and you don't see the rescaling... But you see the richest colours, the deepest black and the absolute no input lag and no ghosting... If only they find a way to have adaptive sync sync technology on oled panels and laptops with all cards, like a standard technology , vrr , freesync or gsync etc, there would be also away the stuttering of playing with vsync off and in that case the laptop would replace in everything the main rig...
     
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    This is after all useless since all vrms are tested max.for 100w tdp and also cooling system will never do it.

    Official 1070 and 2070 full specs are 170w, 1070 2079 maxq range from 80,90,100 and max 115w, all bios flash ends with hardware limiting tdp as forced by bios manufacturer and it doesn't work properly , example I flashed on rtx 2070 a 115w bios, all is recognized it constantly gives 115w usage at max 300mhz at 0,6v and never raises temps cause hardware is limited and bios go crazy cause doesn't understand and communicate well with vBIOs, from what I can say there is no risk flashing even wrong bios, even different boards, it just won't work, in some cases will get unrecognised hardware and giving 0mhz and GPUZ doesn't red it well, just reflash stock bios.... Example, Alienware 2070 in area 51m is a full sized laptop with 170w thermal cryo design and can handle it, if you flash on M15 r2 which max go to 100w it will probably flash well, just go crazy vrm, bios limits to 100w anyway, and even if it works you will get 110° and even 115 w and burn everything... Just useless to try to do it for whatever manufacturer... Will never work


    Also consider difference is marginal, example? I get 15.000 firestrike and 6500 timespy with 100w tweaked 2070max q.... The best twekead area 51m with 180w full 2080 (2080!!!!!!! 180w) makes 8500 timespy and 18500 firestrike... Same goes for msi ge65 and 75... All other 2070 maxq from Asus and hp and razer make even worse (zsame results of 206p rtx max 6700 timespy and 13000 firestrike)... So in my opinion just use a 1070 or 207o max q in a thin laptop trying to get max 100w and temps under control with CPU undervolt, thermal pads, liquid metal, gpu curve at sweet spot (usually from 0,75 to 0,8,v and the maximum frequencies for each voltage step for a 100w design) and you get the max out of any laptop producer (actually 15% more for a stock 9750h and 2070maxq, as close as to full 2070 and even 2080... Really no need to go over and prefer and this and cold laptop maybe with oled 4k display. If you look at my updated results in my drive you will get astonished... Just as close as to a 3500 eur area 51m and better of all razer blade 17 pro and M15 r2 and hp omen... Better then all, 4k oled at only 1800 eur with a 2070max 512ssd 16gb ram? You use the extra saved money for 32gb memory and 2x2tb ssds and liquid metal and thermal pads and make undervolt and vBIOs flash and tuning and you get a 300% times more loaded workstation with more memory and space and a real winner as desktop replacer with difference that it's still tiny and small and with best of the best screen... Just for comparison my 3500 main rig with 9900ks and 2080ti all oberxlocked and 32 GB rams at 4000mhz low cas gets just the double in each score and game... Which is useless in 1080pz. And prefer to play on laptop everywhere, noticing that laptop makes max 100w gpu and 50w CPU still has the same power of my desktop which costs the double and makes 200w CPU 380w gpu... Not considering space and extra to buy mouse keyboard monitor speakers etc.... The aero 15 2019 oled line is an absolute winner and reap horsepower workstation gaming station at a fraction of cost, just need some tuning.... Tomb raider shadow version heavyest game at the moment played with RTX ultra shadows all maxed out and you make 66fps average? Even MSI ge65 9sf which was the winner of all gaming laptop makes 58 fps in that test and with highest preset not maxed as my test... Really... Tested all laptops, aero 15 oled tweaked 2019 line is the best for everyonez even pc gamers...

    Really looking at my review and drive pictures everyone will get surprised, even an Alienware area51m 2080 rtx user will get pissed off .. also considering how beautiful at thin aero is and the fact that has the best keyboard and full size and best touchpad among all of these (after installing proper drive) also consider m15 r2 even uses still 2400mhzz here we have 2666... No way...

    Also ending up that more than 100w vBIOs in thin laptop is useless so just stop trying, just get it tweaked getting the maximum out of your 90w or 100w

    Updated screens... Just amazing testing and review

    https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=15kOJ3mDAw8KHGkSCKkHxbI3lAO963xUK
     
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    Just an example of real gaming and real power, to see how a smal cost still tiny laptop can be better of a huge 3500 model with 2070 full or 2080 full, look at the following:
    1725mhz real clock graphic card and 1650 MHz memory (6600mhz GDDR6 or 13200 MHz gbps as reported in standard specs).

    100w card, CPU always at 4ghz all cores, other drop to 3,3ghz, full card of 170w drop due to heat, and they are also noisy, this say chill with no fan noise

    Temps never go over 70°C even with super clocked and performing CPU and GPU with CPU always at 4ghz 12 thread 6 cores.

    And you get more than 100fps with highest preset test that all reviewers do for shadow of tomb raider and more than 66 average fps with maxed out graphic all effects on a effects moved to ultra over the highest preset and manually set anisotropic at 16x and with RTX shadows set to ULTRA, screen below, this is something even a desktop can't achieve and we have this at overall system power consumption of 150w, look at afterburner stats on screen to get the meaning of this words... Really can't say more... Even an area 51m due to high heat and big case and cost and watt usage and overall similar performance can't stay at competition with this, considering that it's one of the few real 4x thunderbolt 3 laptop where others limit it to 2x without saying it and also this has the fastest uhs ii reader... Really no words guys
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    I only flashed the VBIOS and upped the core and memory to get that score. If you are getting close to 8k in timespy it's better than my settings. I haven't tried changing it much since I didn't have time; was busy tinkering with memory settings on my 3950x, but i think this week I can have some more time for the razer. Also I did do a LM paste on the CPU and GPU myself.I don't remember if I did replace the thermal pads or not but if I didn't I guess that's my next project!
     
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