Need a laptop for editing (Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects) and gaming

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  1. Aes85

    Aes85 Notebook Enthusiast

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    1) What is your budget?
    2000€

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?
    d. Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
    e. Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen
    17" with thin bezels would be the best
    3) Which country will you buying this notebook?
    Italy

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
    a. Like: Msi, Asus, Lenovo
    b. Dislike: Acer, Hp
    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?
    no

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?
    Editing (Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects) gaming, writing, browsing, streaming

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?
    The laptop would sit most of the time on the desk. 4/5 times a year should travel inside a backpack.

    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? (If so, please state which games or types of games?)
    I like TF2, CS:Go, but I've planned to play more recent games like Rise of the Tomb Raider, The Witcher, Battlefield V, etc...

    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?
    I don't care about battery life at all

    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?
    I'd like to, but I know that it must be difficult cause shops don't tend to put on display expensive equipments in Italy.

    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Chrome OS, etc.
    Windows 10, but I'd like to do a clean install if there is much bloatware. I don't want any trouble in doing so.

    Screen Specifics

    12) What screen resolution(s) would you prefer?
    1080p, Ips with a good color gamut for the editing and good time response for gaming. 120hz and 144hz are welcome.

    13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen?
    Matte

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
    It must be overall a sober notebook, with a professional look but a gaming heart. I can accept the RGB lighting but if it's only for the keyboard or for example the logo on the back of the display.

    Notebook Components

    15) How much hard drive space do you need?
    atleast 256Gb or 512Gb + atleast 1Tb of HDD

    Timing, Warranty and Longevity


    16) When are you buying this laptop?
    at the start of the new year

    17) How long do you expect to use this laptop?
    I'd like to use it for atleast 5 years

    18) How long could you afford to do without your laptop if it were to fail?
    max 2-3 weeks

    19) Would you be willing to pay significantly extra for on-site warranty, or would it be acceptable to you to have to ship the laptop to the vendor for repair with perhaps a week or more outage?
    No, I wouldn't
     
  2. Spartan

    Spartan Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I suggest you the MSI GP73 or GS73 Stealth from HIDevolution. After you choose your model, email donald@hidevolution.com to get your NBR Forum discount and also make sure you select Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut + Fujipoly Extreme Thermal pads which offer the best cooling.

    HIDevolution has superb quality control so you will get a 100% working laptop out of the box as you wouldn't wanna order a laptop and wait till it reaches you only to discover an issue here and there and have to go through the hassle of returning it.

    Also if you do end up getting it from HIDevolution thus you will be part of the HIDevolution Gaming Team so I can help you tweak your laptop when you get it. These are the Ultra Male Tweaks:

    1- Uninstallation of all the Windows Store Garbage Apps like 3D Paint, Print 3D, Alarms & Clock, Feedback Hub, Maps, Groove Music, News, Weather, etc.
    2- Removing all Windows 10 Privacy Invasion stuff like Telemetry, sending your keystrokes to Microsoft, automatically installing suggested apps in the background, allowing Microsoft to conduct experiments on your laptop, disabling automatic driver updates through Windows updates, disabling Windows 10 ads, disabling Cortana, Cloud Search etc.
    3- Disabling Microsoft Edge from starting up automatically in the background upon reboot.
    4- Adjusting a lot of options in PC Settings like disabling Windows Tablet Mode (you have a laptop not a tablet), disabling suggestions appearing in the start menu, disabling automatically connecting to Paid WiFi Hotspots, disabling Game DVR which reduced performance in games, and a lot more.
    5- Replacing Cortana with a much better search tool that finds results instantly called Everything which finds any file you want as soon as you start typing even a few letters of its name and it doesn't even rely on the Windows Indexing Service to do this!
    6- Restoring the classic Windows Photo Viewer
    7- Restoring the Classic Windows 7 Start Menu
    8- Removal of the new and useless 3D Objects Folder that appears when you open "Computer"
    9- Completely disabling Windows Defender from its roots (including all scheduled tasks and startup files) for those who want to install their own AV. ESET NOD32 Antivirus is highly recommended if you want the utmost security with the least system performance impact.
    10- Updating all drivers to the latest versions in case they weren't up to date.
    11- Disabling the performance hit that is caused by the Meltdown and Spectre patches recently released by Microsoft (optional, only if you don't mind having this security vulnerability and would rather have your CPU's full performance back)
    12- Overprovisioning your SSD anywhere between 10-20% depending on how much space you can spare to ensure optimal and consistent performance at all times.
    13- Blocking the Google Chrome Software Reporter Tool (which causes a high system load when it is scanning files)
    14- Preventing Microsoft Edge from running on startup in the background
    15- Restoring the missing default power plans in Windows 10 (ie. High performance, Power saver, and adding the new Ultimate Performance Plan)
    16- Creating a system restoration image using Macrium Reflect

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    Aes85 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you for your reply. What about instead if I cut my budget to 1000€? What would fit my needs?
     
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    Spartan Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You're welcome.

    If you wanna lower your budget, then go with what I recommended @BrickPlane to get. The MSI GP73. You get a lot of computer for the money.

    This configuration is on sale as I see:
    Custom Built MSI GP73 Leopard 8RE-609 17.3" w/ nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060

    Of if you want the GTX 1070 variant, see the list of all GP73 laptops here: MSI GP73 Models


    See his thread here:
    HIDEvolution Order Experience.
     
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    ApostateTapir Notebook Consultant

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    I'll be able to update with my first impressions on Wednesday when I get it, but the setup in my signature was $1,419, before the NBR member discount. A bit more than your 1,000€ budget, but I'm having a damn hard time finding a better computer for $1,400
     
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    Blacky Notebook Prophet

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    Hi,

    You have a pretty tight budget for your specs. From what you wrote, you need a laptop with six cores, excellent cooling and a very good display. These are the laptops I found to best match your criteria: noteb search.
    You can see and change the search parameters using the "Refine results" button in the upper-left part of the search results page. You can also click on the laptops for more information.

    From these I can recommend:
    - HP Omen 17, it's a budget gaming laptop with decent specs and decent cooling. There are better laptops out there, but for the price, the Omen is a good laptop. Just don't expect it to last very long.
    - Clevo PA71ES-G, it's a very good laptop with a bit of thermal modding. You can get it from http://www.santech.eu/
    - Acer Helios 500, a good machine, with good specification and good cooling. Acer laptops are not known for their reliability, but even so, I would expect this laptop to last a few years. It's only major downside is the weight.
    - Asus GL504GS, it's a good laptop from Asus, with nice looks, decent weight and adequate cooling. Though the cooling needs to be improved with better thermal paste for optimal performance.
    - MSI GE63, it's a more budget-friendly version of the MSI GT63, it's an ok laptop, and if you find it for a reasonable price, I would recommend it over the Asus, Acer or HP Omen.
    - MSI GT63, it's probably the best laptop for your needs and budget, it usually sells for around 2000 euro. It has excellent build quality and cooling.
    - MSI GP73, it's a budget-oriented gaming laptop, it has good cooling and everything, but the fans are not the same quality as the GT/GE series, and the chassis is primarily plastic, not aluminium.

    My recommendation is the GT63m followed by the GE63/Clevo/Helios 500.
     
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    Aes85 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Ok, so I'm stuck between these MSI laptop model:

    A. 1yr used (but like new, bought from AK Informatica) MSI GE73 7RF for 1000-1100€ (warranty still has 1 yr, plus the shop where he bought is MSI officially licensed so they added for him 8gb of ram for dual channel (total 16gb now) and removed the HDD to put a 1Tb Crucial Mx500 SSD Sata).

    B. MSI GE73 8RF for 2200€ on Amazon Italy

    C. MSI GE73 8RE for 1700€ on Amazon Italy

    D. MSI GE75 8RE for 1849€ on AK Informatica


    I'm stuck because the quality of the display is practically the same between the four I guess, (with slight better response times on the ge73 8rf and ge75). The srgb color gamut is almost the same among the four models I guess, so I bet there wouldn't be much difference when I do photo or video editing.

    I'd also like to understand which one is the quietest in terms of fan noise and has low temperatures, or atleast the most balanced one in terms of temperatures and noise, regarding the price too. Thank you
     
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    Blacky Notebook Prophet

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    I think this is a comparison for your models. It's tough to advise without knowing the exact specs.
    MSI GE73VR 7RF vs MSI GE73 8RF vs MSI GE73 8RE vs MSI GE75 8RF

    Unfortunately, I don't have the MSI GE75 8RE in my database. The GE75 is relatively new. I will add it in a few days.

    Except for the GE75, which uses a slightly newer, but still TN panel, the rest use the same panel.
    The variations you see in the panel displays is mostly due to panel revisions. Newer models will use newer panels, so they will have improved response times and colour accuracy, though that is not always the case.

    If you plan to play the newer games, like Tomb Raider or Witcher, I highly recommend a laptop with a GTX 1070.
    In my opinion, the GE73VR with the older 7700HQ processor is a fantastic deal, and I highly recommend you go for that one. You still have the warranty on it.
    Sure, it has the older processor, but for the things you do and the games you play, it shouldn't matter.

    Also be aware that all these laptops are TN displays, MSI claims they are IPS-level, because they get close to IPS quality, but you still get colour drifting if viewed from different angles, brightness variations, and all those things you get with a TN display, is just that they are not that noticeable with the naked eye. I have a colourimeter and measured some of these displays, and I can tell you there are brightness and colour variation across the surface in a way that is not usually found on true IPS displays.
     
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    Aes85 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you very much for your reply. I don't understand why MSI doesn't have a 17" with a real IPS panel then. There's the P65 Creator but it's a 15" and it's too thin for me (scared about the cracking chassis issues).

    I think I'll try to get the used one then. I'll keep you updated.
     
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    Because IPS display has higher response times, even at 144Hz, they still have 8-10ms response times. The low response times of TN displays makes them more desirable for gaming. The display choice of MSI makes perfect sense if your target market is gamers, they will love the screen.
     
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