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NBR Vista Tips and Tweaks Guide

Discussion in 'Microsoft Windows XP and Vista' started by Les, Sep 7, 2007.

  1. Les

    Les Not associated with NotebookReview in any way

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    20Gb would be a safe OS partition and yes, quikset is included with the disk.

    Nice to see your not panicking...so many do when they delete something like that.
     
  2. elscorcho

    elscorcho Notebook Consultant

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    great link, which alone makes up for the rest of this insipid thread.
     
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    Spoodo Notebook Geek

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    haha, well, i'm kinda nervous. first time doing it on my own. one thing i like about dell, they provide you with everything you need, so there's less hassle and panic. if i install programs and games, would do so in the OS partition? or my own personal partition? just like to gather as much as i can before proceeding. do i need to insert MD cd in order to partition? or can that be done with the Vista Reinstallation CD? my bad for all the questions. Kinda noob at this.
     
  4. Fittersman

    Fittersman Wanna trade?

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    i really like #2 (if it does what you claim it does, ill find out when i reboot) i was just wondering if that is the only option that actually works on vista, because most options arent working for me
     
  5. elscorcho

    elscorcho Notebook Consultant

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    you don't need to install any program to have this done.

    go to the start menu and type in 'cmd'.
    right-click on the listing in the start menu and select 'Run As Administrator' (if you didn't disable UAC)

    in the command prompt, type in 'defrag.exe %systemdrive% -b', without the quotes.

    example: defrag.exe c: -b

    that will limit the defrag to your startup files only and will only take a few minutes.

    that said, this is mostly unnecessary since defrag will automatically run every X days (i believe it's three, though i've read elsewhere seven) whenever you're idle. the boot defrag will occur as a part of this process.
     
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    NateTheGreat503 Notebook Consultant

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    Question on the CCleaner. What exactly does it do when you scan for Registry issues and then fix them? A little lost with that. (Sorry for the noob question)
     
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    trebuin Notebook Evangelist

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    Just a quick few things:
    Yes, tuneXP initiates the boot defrag, but it also has a separate defrag of its own, users of Win XP will see that there are two separate defrag processes. Vista will only show you one while a second does indeed function.

    As for registry, again I emphasize not to use any utility including ccleaner to try to fix it. The registry is extremely small and any cleaning will not do much. The only improvements you could get is by defragging the registry with a utility like NTREGOPT. There a lot out there, this one is free. They all do the same thing: copy your current registry to a contiguous space and make them primary when you reboot. I run this on a shutdown script.

    Cleaning it can only lead to future problems as there is probably not one program that will keep you from deleting valid links.

    CCleaner does a decent job of cleaning your system, though I would set it to not delete your internet cache or cookies and I would set it to clean the c:\users\"your profile"\appdata\local\temp\*.* UPON SHUTDOWN as this gets relatively huge over time.
     
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    Spoodo Notebook Geek

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    Flamenko: I've finally done my clean install. it was so so easy. everything is as good as new, and now further tweaking vista. thanks!
     
  9. Les

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    Re: Elschorcho's Advice:

    I dont believe the DOS command prompts do what is specificaly shown in the picture below, and that is to rearrange your boot files to the front of the disk. For the most part, there is little defragging to the boot files themselves and this is shown on your systems successfull startup each time.

    Further, Im hoping the idea here would be to make this as easy as possible for most, a thing which command line prompts is not for the average user.

    Lastly, I would hope the cutting and comments that do not benefit others would fade in this thread for the benefit of the thread and forum; it a feature which doesn't help anyone (ie. "which alone makes up for the rest of this insipid thread")

    If we are here to contribute...then do so for the benefit of all.

    PS...For those who are unsure which files to watch after completing TuneXP, look at the included picture which shows both...defrag.exe and dfrgNTFS.exe.

    The first time you use the program it may take over 30min to complete.
     

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    digicamhelp Notebook Consultant NBR Reviewer

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    Yes, I'd be very interested.

    I've been computing a long time and have done some minor tweaks along the way. But through the years I've learned it's best not to play with some things if you aren't experienced enough to fix it if you do something wrong along the way. And boy, have I.

    I looked at a post at another site about how to change the size allocated for System Restore in Vista....you know, going through that black screen, typing in commands with white text. I just don't feel comfortable tweaking like that.

    If my computer takes two minutes to book instead of one, it's okay with me.

    I admire those who have the technical skills and confidence to tweak so deeply, but not all of us have.
     
  11. Les

    Les Not associated with NotebookReview in any way

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    With respect to Trebuins offer and your response, that would be a great idea.

    I was going to include it as a tweak with reference to a site that I have had success with with respect to shutting down a number of non-vital processes but the chance is there that it might not work on anothers system.

    If Trebuin would like, he can email me the 'insert' and I will add it straight to the tweaks which will leave it at the front page where it belongs...
     
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    chinmonkie Notebook Evangelist

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    Hi guys i think its my turn to go up to bat and show you what i have been doing

    2. Exclude some unused services

    1. Run services.msc via the Run command (Win key +R).
    2. Stop the following services and change their start-up type to disabled

    - Computer browser (if not connected to LAN)
    - Fax (if not using printer and fax)
    - Windows Error Reporting Service
    - Media center extender service
    - human interface device access
    - Secondary logon
    - Tablet PC Input service
    - Print spooler (if not using printer and fax)
    - Windows time
    - Media center receiver service (This caused some disfunction on my computer)
    - Security center
    - Routing and remote access (if not connected to LAN)
    - Windows search engine (if not used...)
    - Internet connection sharing
    - TCP/IP NetBios helper
    - Media center scheduler service (This caused some disfunction on my computer)
    - Media center service launcher
    - Server
    - Offline files
    - Remote registry
    3. Close the services management console

    By Reducing your services that run with vista at initial bootup you can shave a couple more seconds in boot time =)


    7.Run IE7 a little smoother.

    1.Start/Run Type gpedit.msc and select Computer configuration/Administrative Templates/Windows Components/Internet explorer.
    3.You will see the value called disable periodic check for IE software updates enable it. There shouldnt be a new update for IE7 till SP1 for vista anyways =)

    IE7 speeds
    set Maxconnections to 10 instead of two this will alow for more pipelines to be used when accessing webpages =)
     
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    My screen still flickers when I disable TMM :(.
     
  14. Les

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    Do you mean at the start? Is it possible that there is something else causing the flash? Have you reinstalled the most up to date drivers? What system do you have?
     
  15. elscorcho

    elscorcho Notebook Consultant

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    that would you require you actually test the command, or know what you're talking about.

    the program you're linking to does nothing more than call up the built in defrag executables and passes along the command i referenced. there's no 'secret' behind it as it's built into Vista itself. you can delude yourself into believing there's more to it, but there isn't.

    here's a link from wikipedia for reference - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefetcher
    everything else that program does is snake oil.

    as to the rest of your post - lay off the sanctimony. it's better to allow users to understand the mechanisms of their system, including the command line, than relying on dubious tweaking programs that can often lead to many problems.

    then again, i'm not the one constantly whoring for rep points.
     
  16. elscorcho

    elscorcho Notebook Consultant

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    that, right there, shows how utterly useless your knowledge of Windows is. the wikipedia link spells it out, and the layout.ini and prefetcher have been a feature more or less since the XP days. obviously Vista fleshed it out quite a bit more.

    i won't even get into you being a computer 'teacher'.

    and a hearty 'LOL' for you editing your ridiculously error-filed post to something more subtle. good thing i saved that choice quote from above for posterity.
     
  17. Les

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    Ok then....

    explain this...then you'll get all the credit you deserve.

    Im asking for your assistance here big guy.

    Just reinstall Vista on my 700m...complete optimized, tweaked then defragged and ran YOUR command line that apparently does exactly what TuneXP does...

    So here are the results...

    Before your instruction: 1min32sec
    After your instruction: 1min 24 sec
    After TuneXP : 43 seconds

    Just to help you, thats a difference of 41 seconds between your command line which does exactly what TuneXP does...and the real TuneXP.

    Just a simple answer would give you all the credibilty in the world with the fans here and myself.

    Why the difference big guy???

    Anytime...waiting.
     
  18. elscorcho

    elscorcho Notebook Consultant

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    answering your question requires me to believe your credibility, which for the above reasons (LOVE the post edit) is obviously not going to happen, so i'll take your 'facts' with a grain of salt.

    i'll say it again, there's no 'magic pill defrag' software, and the fact that TuneXP calls the VERY SAME execs that are built-in to Vista says a lot more than your 'test' does.

    as to the fans on this board - you are seriously deluded and need to stop appraising your life's worth through this message board. if it makes you better, i'll give you a rep point for trying as hard as you do.
     
  19. Les

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    Yuppp...your answer speaks for itself and concludes this I think. Oh and I wasn't speaking of only my results; it seems there are a number of others with the same results from the program here..on this thread.

    They must be full of it as well eh...
     
  20. elscorcho

    elscorcho Notebook Consultant

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    obviously those people are noticing the effects of TuneXP's work (also worth noting as that software was made for XP and hasn't been updated in years), since it directly calls the defrag.exe switch i listed earlier. obviously boot files are still being defragmented, because defrag.exe has the capabilities built into it.

    this isn't rocket science, and it's points to the disconnect you seem to have at anything that contradicts your dogmatic, and often wrong, views.

    the first boot optimizer that came out for XP was BootVis, which Microsoft leaked, and then pulled from their servers surreptitiously.

    http://tweakhound.com/xp/bootvis/index.htm

    after Microsoft pulled the software, for whatever reason they had, someone then leaked the command switches for Defrag.exe that essentially offered the same functionality (minus the indepth boot graph/report that BootVis provided). it's the same switch that other software tweak programs then incorporated into their own software, which leads to today.

    http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2003/2003-09-29.htm#5

    believe what you want though on how amazing TuneXP is, even though it was written for a prior OS, not actively developed anymore, nor does the author provide any support for it.
     

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