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NBR Vista Tips and Tweaks Guide

Discussion in 'Microsoft Windows XP and Vista' started by Les, Sep 7, 2007.

  1. yesgokul

    yesgokul Newbie

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    Wonderful info guys. TuneXP did help :)
     
  2. Les

    Les Not associated with NotebookReview in any way

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    Thank you very much. New tips daily...or until i run out.
     
  3. batkinson001

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    sofar so good system runs nice back on defaults, boots the same as usual which is something i guess i will have to live with.
     
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    Did you say yours still boots with the flash on boot?
     
  5. niGht kiD

    niGht kiD .. beach boy ♫

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    Hi flamenko, could you explain the purpose of doing the above action to me? and what's the SSD that you guys mentions? Thanks.. :)
     
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    Hey guys.

    This has been great, and I intend to try it out. A question though, does anyone know how to get rid of that annoying "double flash" where the screen goes black then comes back again when you are shutting down?

    Thanks and regards to all.
     
  7. Les

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    Wettek:

    No...that double flash, to the best of my knowledge, is part of the shutdown process....things closing quickly.

    Glad ya like it...

    haOkepa:

    I was explaining the setup configuration to another SSD user to ensure he is in ACHI mode and not ATA mode.

    An ssd is a solid state drive which is different than a hard drive, in that, it doesnt spin. It is similar to flash memory.
     
  8. ScuderiaConchiglia

    ScuderiaConchiglia NBR Vaio Team Curmudgeon

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    No one is saying it doesn't work. We are only trying to figure out HOW it works. Trebuin attibuted it to some unseen special defrag, but we now know the only two processes involved are both Microsoft ones. There is no special TweakXP defrag at all, it is using defrage.exe to do its bidding. One only needs to look at the list of running processes to see that. But the results of what TweakXP is doing stand for themselves, it obviously is improving folks boot times. Since the rest of TweakXP is of no use to us, we might be able to create something that accomplishes the same thing if we can get to the bottom of this.

    Personally, I think what is happening here is that TweakXP is invoking the very thing that is SUPPOSED to be happening behind the scenes automatically in Vista. But the way Vista is handling this is flawed. It appears that Vista is waiting until there is some slack time to do this and most folks are not leaving their machine sitting idle long enough for that to occur. I am trying to track down the "schedule" by which Vista is supposed to do this. The trials that wax4123 is doing will show if there is something else that TweakXP is doing that is making some difference. Maybe the author has found some other undocumented parameter for defrag.exe. But at this point it is obvious he is using defrag.exe to accomplish this bit of magic.

    No one owns any thread here. All threads are open to discussion, that's the entire point of forums like this. You are taking this all much too personally.

    Gary
     
  9. trebuin

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    Ok, here's how tuneXP is different from windows boot defrag:

    1) Windows will defrag and consolidate the boot files.
    2) TuneXP will defrag and consolidate the boot files at the beginning of the partition...unlike vista/XP, that's why you see the perfmance boost.

    3) TuneXP then calls the standard Defrag that windows uses under the second defrag process.

    So there are 2 defrag runs...run it in XP and you will understand.

    *edit: actually, I think there are 3 which I only remember through XP, it would bring up the blue scroll bar, then the defrag text, then a message saying not to do anything until the command screen closes. Since I did not write this program, I cannot answer this.

    *edit 2: I will not post anymore about this on the thread...I will forward this through Flamenko to be posted on the initial thread. I'm sorry I can't be on very long, but I am currently deployed.
     
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    Here's what I changed for my services. I put a lot in manual as I can confirm that they will not start unless for some reason it really is needed. Essentially, disabled is changed to manual where it does indeed keep the item from starting. There are three things I set to Automatic over the safe setting's recommended disabled:
    1) HID (needed for controllers)
    2) PDES (needed for my camera media)
    3) WMCLS (needed for sharing media via media center over to my wife's laptop)

    Edit 1: attachment did not take.
    Edit 2: I did not build this for tablets
     

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    Using TuneXP i cut my boot time in half. This machine boots in 33secs. Not bad for a D820 with 1.5gig ram. I dont know how it does it, but it does. Thanks flamenko
     
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    anyone here know what windows services or features control the windows wireless service? google fails me.

    I have to keep telling windows to diagnose why the wireless wont start and then it gives me the option to start it which then makes it work, but i want to have it work automatically like it used to before.


    any ideas?
     
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    great thread.since reading i have done some tweaks and did cut out some time.
    last nite before bed i timed vista 32 when i shut it down.took 15 secs,and just now it took double that lol. my start up is okay,but after i type my password a black screen appears for like a 1:15 secs.i think i remember reading that,thats the indexing thing.and we should disable it,but on another site they say not to.
     
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    54 processes at boot. Oddly enough, my load time slowly creeps back to its original 1 minute state unless I continue defrag with tunexp

     
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    no one, not even me, claimed that TuneXP wasn't having a positive effect. what i said from the start is that TuneXP is using the exact same boot optimizing functions built into XP/Vista to do it's bidding. hence, installing TuneXP, which was last developed in 2004 and for XP, is not necessary so long as you use the command-line defrag with the -b switch. it's as simple as that.
     
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    I have a G1S.
    So, I went and disabled TMM, indexing and the other "various" things, as described. Vista took 45 seconds longer to boot up and my hard drive seems to be accessing a lot more than before. I played Neverwinter Nights 2 and got 2 crashes in 20 minutes with a video card driver failing to respond (never happened before). Loading levels seems to take a lot longer, too.

    Strange, huh? I am unable to download the other programs as listed on the front page (I'm deployed and can only access the internet with common area computer that block a lot of websites; no internet on my personal laptop).
     
  17. Les

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    ERL,

    We have some brillian tpeople here to help figure out what you did. Give ud a detailed account of the changes you made, the system you have as well as what has occurred.

    Secondly, do you have 'Restore' enabled?
     
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    Whenever I shut down... My screen flashes black very strangely and then it fades to the "shutting down" screen. Why is that? I dissabled the tmm thing or whatever its called
     
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    I dont think it has anything to do with the TMM tweak and is the way it shuts down at a quicker pace, hoping anyway.

    I know of a quick shutdown tweak Im going to want to work on and maybe include it.
     
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    I did 1, 3 and 6 (unchecked everything but games).

    I did 5 (UAC) the minute I got the computer a few months ago.
    I cannot do 2 + 4 (as I mentioned).

    I went back after the display driver errors and undid 6, leaving TMM and indexing off.

    I have a G1S, and system restore was the second thing I disabled after UAC.

    It could be that the graphic driver errors were a complete and total coincidence, but since I've played NWN2 for up to several hours at a time, periodically (almost nightly) , for the past several weeks and have never had an error, I don't think it is. Also, the slower loading times and increased hard drive accessing (noticeably so!) seem strange.
    I did a defrag this morning, so we'll see what happens tonight. I can't imagine that turning indexing off would cause all this disk activity?
     

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