MSI GT76 Titan announced!(NBC)

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  1. ole!!!

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    theres that, on their own slides shows 14nm++ wont be beat until 10nm++.

    also the yields on 10nm is junk right now, dont think they can spare any for desktop while no one really wants it due to it's low performance.
     
  2. JeanLegi

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    Wow, the german part of Notebookcheck wrote that the GT76 comes with Nvidia Optimus!? Really... I hope this is a fake news.... :mad:
     
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    Maybe mux switch
     
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    Is Nvidia Optimus good?
     
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    Good for battery life limiting for performance (slight performance loss 5-10% at max).
     
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    It has a mux just like the WT75 does. In dedicated mode the laptop lcd will be connected to the nvidia graphics, hopefully with gsync support.
     
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    why i don't think there will be an muxswitch and i can truly imagine that the GT76 will have Optimus.
    this picture is from the original Review from notebookcheck.
    keyboard.jpg

    These are the only three switches (use snipping tool for cut it from the first picture).
    Left switch: looks to me like cooler Boost function
    Middle switch: On/Off
    Right Switch: Gaming Center
    keyboard2.png

    that is the original link: https://www.notebookcheck.com/MSI-GT76-9SG-im-Test-Der-Titan-unter-den-Gaming-Laptops.423807.0.html

    i use a translator my english skills are not so good to translate the complete text of wall and i don't find something in english.
    and sorry that i don't integrate the pictures.

    written by Florian Glaser
    MSI GT76 9SG review: The Titan among gaming laptops
    Trimmed to speed. The brand new GT76 Titan DT from MSI is intended to appeal to passionate gamers who have no problem with a massive and heavy chassis. Thanks to Core i9-9900K and GeForce RTX 2080, the 17-inch offers plenty of power for current games.

    Blocking instead of clogging: This principle is followed by gaming expert MSI on the GT76 9SG Titan DT. The huge desktop replacement comes with an arrow-fast 144Hz display fueled by Nvidia's current most powerful notebook GPU, the GeForce RTX 2080. Fittingly, an eight-core intel processor is on board. However, the Core i9-9900K is not a laptop model, but a real desktop CPU that can be replaced accordingly (the graphics card is soldered). The work and mass storage system is similarly lavish: our test device was able to use 64 GB ddr4 RAM (4x 16 GB) and an SSD RAID consisting of two 256 GB M.2 drives.

    The GT76's competitors include other 17-inch gamers with GeForce RTX 2080, such as the Alienware Area-51m, the XMG Ultra 17 gift, the Asus ROG G703GX and the in-house MSI GE75 9SG, all of which appear in our top 10 list.

    Caution: Since the test was performed with a pre-production model, not all results have to be 100% the final product. According to MSI, however, only small things are likely to be optimized by the time sales start (including the BIOS, the color of the fans, the intensity of the side lighting and the keyboard software). Information about the purchase price is missing so far.

    MSI GT76 Titanium DT 9SG
    Processor

    Intel Core i9-9900K, socketed
    Graphics card
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (Laptop) - 8192 MB, Core Clock: 1575 MHz, Memory Clock: 7000 MHz, GDDR6, ForceWare 425.31, Optimus
    Memory
    65536 MB
    , 4x 16 GB SO-DIMM DDR4-2666, dual channel, all slots occupied, max. 128 GB
    Screen
    17.3 inch 16:9, 1920 x 1080 pixels 127 PPI, Chi Mei N173HCE-G33 (CMN175C), IPS, Full HD, 144 Hz, mirroring: no
    Motherboard
    Intel Cannon Lake Z390 (Cannon Lake-H)
    Mass storage
    2x Samsung PM961 MZVLW256HEHP (RAID 0), 512 GB
    , NVMe-SSDs + WDC WD10SPZX, 1 TB HDD, 5400 rpm, Slots: 3x M.2 Type 2280 (1 free) & 1x 2.5 inches
    Sound card
    Realtek ALC1220 - Intel Cannon Lake PCH
    Connections
    6 USB 3.1 Gen2, 1 Thunderbolt, 1 HDMI, 2 DisplayPort, Audio Ports: 1 Headphones, 1 Microphone, Card Reader: MicroSD
    Network
    Killer E3000 2.5 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (10MBit), Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650x Wireless Network Adapter (200NGW) ), Bluetooth 5
    Dimensions
    Height x width x depth (in mm): 42 x 397 x 330
    Battery
    90 Wh, 6250 mAh lithium ion, 8 cells
    Operating system
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
    Camera
    Webcam: FHD
    Other
    Speakers: 2.1 Dynaudio, keyboard: Chiclet, RGB, SteelSeries, keyboard lighting: yes, 2x 230 watt power supply, various manufacturer tools, 24 month warranty
    Weight
    4.167 kg, Powersupply Unit: 1.87 kg


    Housing

    The GT76 9SG represents the successor to the GT75 8RG, which was rated 87% just over a year ago and included a Core i9-8950HK and a GeForce GTX 1080. In addition to the optical design, MSI has also taken care of the height. Instead of 5.8 cm, the case is now "only" 4.2 cm high (indication without case feet), which is still quite a lot for a gaming notebook.

    The basic dimensions also differ. Thanks to the slim-bezel design, the width of the notebook drops from just under 43 cm to 40 cm. The housing depth, on the other hand, has increased from 31 cm to 33 cm. As you can see in the photos, the stern is very expansive. This is not likely to please everyone interested. Otherwise we were very satisfied with the optics. While the lid shines in a chic silver grey, the interior and caseback remain quite discreet due to the black colour scheme.

    Workmanship and material quality were already good with our pre-production model (A-cover and C-cover are made of metal), although we would have liked the lid to be a little more stable. With two hands, the screen – most laptops can be greeted – can be twisted relatively strongly. It looks better with the basunit, which hardly gives way in most places, even under stronger pressures.
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    Lighting fans will definitely get their money's worth with the GT76. Thus, the RGB keyboard is complemented by an LED bar on the front and light elements on the side, each supporting several colors and can be adjusted individually. The two hinges do their job inconspicuously. The laptop can be opened easily with one hand. The maximum opening angle is approx. 135°.

    Facilities

    Interfaces
    As it should be for desktop replacement, the GT76 offers a wide range of interfaces. Starting with the USB ports, which consist of four Type A ports and one Type-C port (each 3.1 Gen2). In addition, there is a Thunderbolt 3 port, which is also held in Type-C format. The latter can also control a monitor via DisplayPort. External screens can also be plugged into the mini-displayport or HDMI port. Meanwhile, speakers and headsets migrate to the two audio jacks. MSI dispenses with security features such as a Kensington Lock. The fact that the manufacturer does not use a full-fledged card reader, but only a MicroSD model, is also a bit of a pity.

    The distribution of the interfaces seems to us to be somewhat suboptimal. Because of the lateral fan outputs, which can lead to a warming of the mouse hand when playing, many ports sit very far in front. Depending on the amount of cable, this results in limited freedom of movement.

    Communication
    The tau-fresh Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650x Network Adapter serves as a radio module, which offers first-class performance. An average of 730 Mbps when sending and 690 Mbps when receiving (1 m distance from the linksys EA8500 reference router) are excellent and help the GT76 to first place among the comparison devices.

    Software
    Similar to its other gaming notebooks, MSI relies on the tried-and-tested Dragon Center on the software side, which boasts a clear interface and numerous features. In addition to system monitoring, users can also find various sound, image, fan and energy profiles. Our tests were carried out with the shift mode "Sport" and the fan speed "Auto". The "sRGB" mode was used for the display measurements.

    Delivery
    MSI not only inserts the GT76 9SG into one, but also two power supplies, which together weigh more than 1.8 kg. To satisfy the power cravings of the high-end components, the 17-inch is available to a total of 460 watts (2x 230 watts), which is more reminiscent of a desktop PC. In combination with the happiest housing weight of around 4.2 kg, the GT76 is hardly suitable for transport. The gaming sprout feels at home primarily.

    Maintenance
    The extensive maintenance and upgrade capabilities are among the GT76's greatest strengths. After freeing the caseback from 6 phillips, the underside can be lifted out of the anchorage with some finger work (tip: best start with the rear ventilation grilles).

    Almost all components can be reached under the hood, be it only the battery, the radio module or the mass storage (3x M.2 & 1x 2.5 inches). Only one part of the memory is accessible, and two of the four DDR4 slots are hidden on the other side of the motherboard (behind the keyboard). As with the GT75, the cooling system is extremely powerful. The CPU and GPU are supplied separately with several heatpipes, which transport the waste heat to the fans.

    Input

    Keyboard

    In the case of keyboards, MSI continues its cooperation with SteelSeries. The Chiclet model built into the GT76 is very much similar to the keyboards of the other gaming series (GS, GE, etc.). There are advantages especially for the brightly colored RGB lighting, whereby the keys can be read well thanks to the bright inscription even without light. The key feedback would be centered between soft and hard, which should satisfy most buyers. The size of the buttons also hardly needs to be criticized. Only the number pad is a bit narrow for our taste. If you take all aspects together, the keyboard settles at a good level.

    Touchpad

    The touchpad also scores in the 80s. MSI has opted for a classic model with dedicated keys, which, unlike the keyboard, are quite loud and rickety. The touch surface itself is sufficiently dimensioned with around 11 x 6 cm. Precision and gliding capability would be good. Gesture support (zooming, scrolling, ...) also worked fine in the test.

    Display
    Our test configuration is equipped with a view angle-stable Full HD IPS display. 1,920 x 1,080 pixels tend to underperform the GeForce RTX 2080, but the 144 Hz is more often exploited.

    The built-in panel, which listens to the name Chi Mei N173HCE-G33, we know among others from the MSI GE75 9SG, which is why the determined values are very similar. In addition to the high luminosity (just under 373 cd/m2), the positive side also shows the good contrast (1,200:1). The black value (0.33 cd/m2) does not have to hide behind the competition either.
    In addition, there is a fairly accurate colour representation. Delta E deviations of an average of 2.83 (grayscale) and 2.04 (ColorChecker) are pretty good for a gaming notebook. By means of calibration, the values can even be pressed below 1.0 (our ICC file is linked above).
    MSI GT76 vs. sRGB (94%)MSI GT76 vs. sRGB (94%)
    MSI GT76 vs. AdobeRGB (59%)MSI GT76 vs. AdobeRGB (59%)
    Buyers can also enjoy a short response time. 10 ms black-to-white and 8 ms grey-to-grey ensure a smooth image without streaking. Thanks to the high brightness, outdoor inserts would not be a problem. The only shortcoming of our test era was the illumination. Although the GT76 reaches a tidy 89% on paper, we had to contend with one or the other atrium at the display edges.

    Performance
    The GT76 Titan DT is clearly a representative of the upper class. 64 GB DDR4-RAM will be as rare as the powerful 8-core CPU in the coming years. The GeForce RTX 2080 also offers a high level of future security – at least when using native Full HD resolution, where by most of the time there are enough reserves for QHD and UHD monitors.

    Processor

    As mentioned at the beginning, the Core i9-9900K is not a Notebok CPU, but a desktop model (architecture: Coffee Lake S). While this has a negative impact on waste heat, power consumption and noise, from a performance point of view, the 14 nm chip is beyond doubt. Thanks to hyper-threading technology, the octa-core can handle up to 16 threads in parallel. 16MB of L3 cache are also not from bad parents.
    The basic clock is 3.6 GHz, whereby up to 5.0 GHz are possible via Turbo Boost. In our test with the Cinebench R15, the clock in both the single-core and multi-core benchmarks was exactly 4.7 GHz, which is very lavish for laptop ratios.
    If you use shift mode Sport, the power does not collapse even under prolonged load. The Core i9-9900K handles the Cinebench loop (at least 30 minutes of multi-core testing) with 1,944 to 2,022 points. Many notebooks break down massively from the third or fourth pass at the latest. The MSI sprout, on the other hand, offers fairly consistent results. The Alienware Area-51m and the Schenker XMG Ultra 17, which also included a Core i9-9900K in the test, have to rank a little behind the GT76 in terms of CPU power.

    System Performance

    The system benchmarks turn the tide. Here, the laptops of Alienware and Schenker are several percent ahead, so that it is "only" enough for the third place. However, 6,599 points in the PCMark 10 are still a very good result and stand for a fast running system without long waiting times (boot time, loading operations, program starts, etc.).

    Mass storage
    The mass storage of the test device consists of two M.2 SSDs in RAID-0 mode. The two 256 GB drives come from Samsung (PM961) and provide an excellent performance in both sequential and non-sequential reading (over 2,000 MB/s) in both SEQUENTIAL reading and sequential writing. However, some laptops also create performance values comparable to a single SSD (see, for example, the MSI GE75 9SG and the Asus G703GX).
    Since 512 GB would be a bit lean, MSI also gives the GT76 a 2.5-inch HDD from Western Digital with 5,400 rpm and 1 TB capacity. Top: If you want to expand the storage space, you will find a free M.2 slot inside the case.

    Graphics card
    The GeForce RTX 2080 is the current gaming leader in the notebook segment. The 12 nm-based Turing GPU is dominated by ray tracing and is equipped with 2,944 shader units and an 8 GB GDDR6 memory (256-bit interface).
    Similar to the Core i9-9000K, the turbo of the RTX 2080 is also used perfectly. Around 1,740 MHz in the 60-minute test with The Witcher 3 deserve saver as well as 1,800 MHz after a run in the Unigine Heaven 4.0 benchmark. For comparison: The tool mentions GPU-Z 1.575 MHz as the basic clock. Speaking of The Witcher 3: In addition to CPU power, the GPU power also remains stable for long periods of time, as can be easily seen from the graph.
    In the benchmark course, the GT76 is unsurprisingly at the level of the RTX-2080 competition. Ruckler only appeared in the extremely demanding Ray Tracing test Port Royal. To increase battery life, MSI donates Optimus to the GT76 Nvidias graphics switch, which, depending on the application, activates either the processor's graphics chip (UHD Graphics 630) or the dedicated GeForce GPU.

    Gaming Performance
    Passionate gamers are at the right address on the RTX 2080. The DirectX-12-capable high-end model effortlessly packs every modern game with full details and 1,920 x 1,080 pixels.
    In most cases, 2,560 x 1,440 pixels run very smoothly. It only gets tight when 3,840 x 2,160 pixels are used. Here, 60+ FPS is the exception rather than the rule.

    Emissions

    Noise emissions

    In sports mode, the GT76 is clearly trimmed for performance. However, the abundant cpu and GPU clock speeds generate a strong waste heat, resulting in high noise levels. With around 57 dB in The Witcher 3 and up to 66 dB under full load, the 17-inch is one of the loudest gaming notebooks on the market. Without a headset that shields ambient noise, gaming sessions are hardly a joy.

    Although the happiest noise background could be related to the pre-series status (fan control & BIOS are still to be revised), the predecessor was also above average loud in comparison to the competition. In idle mode, the GT76 with 33-34 dB (temporary upswing to 44 dB) makes it comfortable in the midfield.

    Temperature
    Since the GT76 does not require throttling even in extreme situations, the components get quite hot when under load. The GeForce RTX 2080 ended our 60-minute stress test with the Furmark and Prime95 tools at around 86°C. Nearly 90-95 °C on the Core i9-9900K are also borderline. But don't worry: In real gaming mode, at least the CPU stays much cooler. In the Witcher 3 test, we were only able to extract the 9900K by around 60 °C (GPU again 86 °C).
    The Witcher 3The Witcher 3

    The case heats up, as most laptops are used to, especially in the rear area. Up to 51 °C on the top and maximum 57 °C on the bottom are based on the values of the Alienware Area-51m. If the GT76 is not used, the chassis will stay below the 30°C mark.

    Speakers
    While many notebooks leave feathers in the sound category, the GT76 hardly needs to listen to criticism. Yes, the bass and the middles could be even more precise or balanced. And yes, the sound is a bit dull. Overall, however, the 2.1-Dynaudio system makes a pretty good figure. This is due not least to the high maximum level of 90 dB. According to our auto-generated audio analysis (see graph), few competitors can record it with the sound of the GT76.

    Power

    Energy consumption

    Due to the graphics switching, the 17-inch in idle mode is quite economical. 14-23 watts are far below the consumption of the 9900K competition, which does not control Optimus. The use of a desktop processor takes revenge only in 3D mode. Around 283 watts on The Witcher 3 and up to 443 watts in the stress test speak for themselves. RTX-2080 notebooks with mobile CPU are usually sufficient for a single 330 watt power supply.

    Battery
    Despite focusing on speed, MSI uses the existing interior for a powerful battery. The combination of Optimus technology and 90 Wh ensures usable running times that we would not have expected in advance. Almost 7 hours of idle operation (minimum luminosity) and 5 hours of internet surfing via Wi-Fi (brightness reduced to approx. 150 cd/m2) can be absolutely visible for a high-end notebook. Weaknesses are revealed by the 17-inch only under heavy loads. In gaming mode at full display brightness, the system runs out of steam after less than 60 minutes.

    Conclusion
    MSI GT76 Titan DT 9SG, test device provided by MSI Taiwan. MSI GT76 Titan DT 9SG, test device provided by MSI Taiwan.
    The GT76 9SG Titan DT is a top-class gaming notebook aimed at enthusiasts who want to squeeze out as many FPS as possible in terms of performance and price.
    However, the first-class performance is bought by an extreme noise development, which should deter some interested parties (when playing, we definitely recommend using a headset). If one excludes the high weight, the very deep rear and the emergency of two power supplies, there are otherwise almost no negative points.
    The housing impresses with many connections (Thunderbolt 3), good input devices and a decent sound. The image quality of the 144 Hz panel in slim-bezel design also meets the purchase price. Not to mention the extensive maintenance and upgrade options.
     
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    You are correct that all the information in the review does not seem to indicate a mux switch is present. However, take a look at this user manual on page 2-4, it seems to indicate that some configurations DO have a mux as the power light will glow white in UMA mode or amber in DEDICATED mode. That is similar to how the WT75 mux switch worked. Even if it doesn't have a dedicated button they could just add a button in Dragon Center somewhere.

    Its a shame the base model is so expensive. It should have been no more than $2999 with RTX 2070 or $3499 with RTX 2080. I guess the cooling system should be better than the AW51m and it should allow access to all hidden bios options via the key command, but not having the GT75 keyboard and the potential of only running in Optimus mode are going to be a major turn away for many people.
     
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    Thanks for the users manual.
    It is the same information like for the GS63VR 6RF (or in general for all Devices with Optimus).
    The GS63VR 6RF for example has an red led after starting as long the IGP/UMA mode is active.
    After starting an 3D application (games for example) it switches to dedicated mode and the led to yellow.
    So far it is identical to the information of page 2-4 of the users manual of the GT76.
    therefore I assume that we will get a GT series notebook which will work the same way.
    As long as no 3D applications (games, software) are started the GT76 will stay in IGP/UMA mode.

    And yes it is to expensive way to expensiv. thats for me one of the reason to switch back to desktop.
     
  10. Falkentyne

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    The Mux switch on the GT73VR and GT75VR was controlled by the embedded controller. The inputs for outputting iGPU to internal or external displays were already connected. However to use it, the PEG Port has to be electronically disconnected so the inputs would be sent through the iGPU instead. The hidden BIOS setting "MSI GPU Mode" and the GPU button on the case simply send a code to register F1 in the EC which disconnects the PEG port after confirmation, and enable the iGPU in the BIOS, and reboot (MSI SCM) or next reboot (RW Everything). In the BIOS, as soon as you change the MSI GPU Mode, it sends the code to the EC, even if you select "Exit and discard settings" in the BIOS. The GPU button on the case wasn't a SPDT or anything, it just told MSI SCM that you wanted to switch the GPU mode. Theoretically, the same thing could have been done with Autohotkey, if it was known what command code that button was sending.

    Guessing the WT75 did something similar.
    You don't need a dedicated GPU button on the case as long as you can call up software that can deactivate the PEG port and enable the iGPU, provided the proper inputs are there for display output.
     
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