MSI GT75 TITAN-094 finally found time to OC!

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  1. FalconCMH

    FalconCMH Notebook Enthusiast

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    I prefer Intel XTU. It IMO has better full control of the computer by far.
     
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    FalconCMH Notebook Enthusiast

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    This makes no sense to me. "Professionals" would prefer Intel XTU IMO because you have better control of the computer's settings as a whole. ThrottleStop seems like a program for a novice to me. And actually the BIOS is the best way to OC which is what this thread is about.
     
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    Intel XTU is far more limited, but "feels proffessional" only because of the GUI. Throttlestop exposes far more information and it's best if you know what you are looking for. I would recommend Intel XTU if you don't want to fiddle much, Throttlstop as standard, and BIOS tweaks only after you found your final settings and want a "permanent" solution.

    At least that's how I roll.
     
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    FalconCMH Notebook Enthusiast

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    Too funny the GUI "feel" has nothing to do with it. We can agree to disagree. I can point out several settings Intel XTU lets you change that ThrottleStop does not. ThrottleStop is far more limiting. Cache and memory settings for instance. And even basic Core settings. Also Intel XTU modifies your BIOS settings for you. ThrottleStop would be a poor choice for OCing IMHO.

    Also Intel XTU takes command line args like this:
    C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility\Client\XTUCli.exe' -t -id 48 -v 200
    So you can do things like change settings on the fly with one click, schedule tasks, etc. even with multiple changes in a command file.

    Intel XTU is sensitive to the CPU it is being used to OC and has different settings available accordingly.

    Not to mention Intel XTU's built in monitoring, benchmarking, and cpu/memory stress testing.

    Also I think my results posted in this thread speak for themselves using the methods I posted about.
     
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  5. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox Undefiled BGA-Hating Elitist

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    Agree about the BIOS overclocking being ideal, but ThrottleStop is actually a far more useful program than XTU. XTU is garbage for the most part, and it causes instability. I actually view XTU as a product for novices more than ThrottleStop. XTU used to be pretty decent back in the Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge days, but it started getting suckier about the time Haswell was released. Depending on what the OEM retards have decided to lock down in the firmware, there are some things XTU has zero control of that ThrottleStop allows you to tweak, and having the on-the-fly profile switching is extra sweet.
     
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  6. FalconCMH

    FalconCMH Notebook Enthusiast

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    Folks can note I have never lowered myself to calling ThrottleStop names like "garbage" to dissuade folks from using it. I have tried very hard to stick to facts for my position.

    Intel XTU does not cause instability that is just an untrue statement. Anyone with actual experience using Intel XTU saying it is the reason for instability and their use of the program is not just doesn't understand OCing and needs educated, and further backs my position it is for advanced users. Anytime one OCs they can cause instability by making incorrect settings like setting the clock speed too high for the voltage etc. Instability is caused by the person OCing not the software.

    Intel XTU has gotten worse overtime is another untrue statement it has gotten better and like I mentioned before is CPU sensitive in what you can control.

    The statements you make about Intel XTU seem to be fear tactics, vague, etc. to dissuade folks from using Intel XTU and to use ThrottleStop not facts. That kind of approach usually never works with educated folks and is a big red flag.

    Intel XTU can control way more settings than ThrottleStop and that is a fact and I gave concrete examples you gave none. Anyone who has used both knows that. Intel XTU also allows the saving of profiles and one can quickly switch to any profile, but even better yet you can save unlimited named profiles.

    To my knowledge OEM's are not retards (once again the name calling wow). There are 2 major BIOS manufacturers Phoenix and American Megatrends and it has been that way for a very long time. The motherboard manufacturers choose one and then configure/program/change/control what they want on top of the BIOS including the interface in some cases (most common in PC/Workstation motherboards not laptop motherboards). Then resellers can once again make alterations. But at the end of the day most everything is accessible if you know how. For example the BIOS on my laptop can be unlocked which I did to control more settings. Also even if the BIOS interface is configured to lock out certain BIOS settings Intel XTU can still control/change those settings.

    The fact that we can even change some BIOS settings like clock speed while the computer is running w/o re-booting or even going into the BIOS is a feature of the UEFI BIOS unlike the older BIOS architecture. All of these feature/functions are provided at the core/base level including the microcode by Intel. If you choose to use a third party tool to control your OCing good luck. I will stick with the software created by the company that builds what is being OCed (not everything the motherboard, memory has plenty of things too but Intel builds the reference MB usually too) and controls the gateway to do the OCing and has provided me a tool, Intel XTU, that has given me the fastest way with the most stable results I have ever had. I no longer find it better to OC just using the BIOS. I set some things in the BIOS then I use Intel XTU to get to the best OC the fastest way possible and the most stable. It is just a tool that makes OCing easier and faster. Also for benching and game playing the profiles are the best because everything can have a custom OC to yield the best results possible, not always the most stable but the best for that particular use.

    As a final thought one tool may or may not allow a person to control a BIOS setting which can change overtime, but what is most important in the tool is the capability to change the important BIOS settings that are changed over and over to get the best OC for the current use at the most granular level possible IMO. And what I look forward to is like ASUS has done with their PC and Workstation motherboard BIOSes adding a feature to auto OC for two reasons. One is for the novices who don't want to deal with this at all but want to get the most out of their hardware. And two for more advanced users to get to a base OCing spot faster that they can tune from even finer. They even have this auto OC feature for GPUs and it is pretty cool/nice. This kind of feature also can hook a novice into wanting to learn more which is just awesome because education/knowledge is king.

    ThrottleStop may be the best tool out there for getting rid of the different types of CPU throttling that can happen with the least risk of instability, who knows, I haven't tried all the tools out there and it really doesn't matter. If you want to start a thread on that have at it. This thread is not about stopping CPU throttling. Its about CPU OCing and in particular getting the best benching scores I could with the OCing as well as a stable 24x7 OC. And providing education on how I did it.
     
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  7. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    And all above don't know what they talk about... You can start here Mr. Fox @ HWBOT
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    Please tell me what settings outside memory oc'ing is only for XTU. ***
    So locked down firmware (or all too low power limits) is just fine?

    BIG claims... Can you tell me how many (what) laptop models and from all brand you can unlock the firmware? Thanks.
    See your own post *** above.

    And finally. Can you run Cinebench R15 and post your bench results done with XTU? Stock clocks and higher. I will see if I can match them with ThrottleStop. Thanks:)

    Maybe @Falkentyne which is the MSIbook Oc guru can post some info.
     
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    FalconCMH Notebook Enthusiast

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    I could care less about someone's rankings on any site that is using name calling and scare tactics like Intel XTU is garbage and it causes instability. They are both absurd statements. I have an extremely high 3DMark CPU score for Time Spy Extreme for my main rig but I don't tout it or use it as an excuse to make absurd statements on threads in forums.

    I already gave several examples of XTU settings ThrottleStop doesn't have, once again cache settings like memory being some. But there are more try it for yourself it is a free download.

    I have no idea how to unlock every BIOS but given there are only a few BIOS manufacturers I doubt there are that many ways to do it. But I could care less if the BIOS is locked. When I unlocked mine to set the AC Loadline to 1 it made my laptop unstable waking from sleep so I put it back. I have no unlocked BIOS settings set right now. There are other ways with Intel XTU to control the power. I am just stoked I can even OC my laptop. It wasn't that long ago we couldn't OC our laptops with mobile chips.

    I already posted my Cinebench15 scores I achieved using Intel XTU in my very first post if you read the thread. But once again I could care less if you can or cannot beat me using whatever tools w/whatever hardware.

    Like I said this thread was about OCing for benching and getting a stable 24x7 OC. And telling folks how I did it to educate. Nothing else. If you want to start your own thread on how to OC with ThrottleStop have at it. At least I was out here posting to educate and help people not knocking tools with unfounded statements.

    Also you should read ThrottleStop's own first paragraph describing what it does:
    "ThrottleStop is a small application designed to monitor for and correct the three main types of CPU throttling that are being used on many laptop computers."
    No where does it tout itself as a OCing tool. And it's name says it all. I am not knocking ThrottleStop at all. I just don't use it to OC my PCs and laptops. I prefer Intel XTU as I have shown in this thread.
     
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    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    You have probaly read the thread... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-under-volt-in-xtu-without-opening-it.802143/
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    Be you sure. Me and the others who have posted in your thread have already tried/used XTU. Hence some of us have another meanings about the tool than you. Only memory oc'ing lacks in TS. The rest is already implemented + other useful tweaks you won't find in XTU. Read the TS guide thread if you want see whats in there.
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    This is somewhat wrong...
    Yeah, I saw it in OP. But many get better oc results with ThrottleStop.
    None knocking on how you do it. Or that you prefer XTU. For the records.. Your thread is a valuable contribution to the community. None have doubt this.

    Me and the posters above have read and contributed in the ThrottleStop guide for many years. What the first paragraph describing isn't all what the tool can do. And the first paragraph (OP post) has been mostly unchanged since the old days. Don't be fooled by what is written in there (OP post). Rather read inside the thread.
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  10. FalconCMH

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    When I undervolted with Intel XTU it updated my BIOS with the undervolt and it stuck. I never had to ever start Intel XTU to get my undervolt after setting the undervolt. Intel updates XTU all the time and it is different for each CPU like I mentioned before. So the version I am using on my CPU works great/fine for undervolting never had an issue. Like I mentioned before all the settings I changed in Intel XTU were updated in my BIOS by Intel XTU.

    Your statement of ThrottleStop only lacking the memory control is not true. Like I mentioned the cache settings. Not sure what CPU you have used Intel XTU on or what version you have used. Sounds like you have been using ThrottleStop so long you might not remember.

    For you to claim many get better results on Cinebench with ThrottleStop is just funny to me. First your gonna beat me with ThrottleStop now many get better scores already. Whatever it takes for you to feel better I guess and try to convince others to use your preferred tool. I could care less like I said before.

    I never said what the first paragraph mentioned was all it could do. But to claim it is a OCing tool to me is just not logical. I would never use it on my main rig either. I just prefer Intel XTU it works well for me on both my main rig and laptop. And like I mentioned before it is built by the company that builds most every part of what it controls or they did a reference build that others build off of for what it controls.

    If you guys want others to try a tool you prefer over one that is shown proven results like I did in this thread you might not want to come out name calling and using scare tactics it is a total turn off to educated folks. Given my interactions with you guys on this thread I have no interest at all in ThrottleStop now, even though I downloaded it (after the first person responded with it as an option/question to use), tried it, and was at first open minded until all of this stuff transpired, the missing settings, the Windows 3.1 GUI :), etc.
     
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