I'm looking to challenge one person only.... that is Clevo. Sorry if it came off differently, it only seems like there has been a lack of consideration for MSI laptops in the past and over consideration for the upgradeability of Clevos. I need to start a thread in the Clevo forum. I think its very sad that because of the history of Clevos, many people are expecting to upgrade to AMD 7000 or Nvidia 600 later on and it wont be quite so easy if possible at all. While these MSIs are really built to run with ANY card. I have done quite a few tests of the same cards on my Clevo and MSI. There has been nothing that doesn't work on the MSI and countless that don't work on the Clevo. Obviously there is nothing really bad about it yet for Clevo users since the next gen graphics cards aren't out yet. Its not just some superstition, thats for sure. Anyway just trying to spread the word about this wherever there may be misconceptions or old conventions. Everyone thinks that Clevo is the top for some reason, now even their cooling is not any better.