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Monitoring Notebook Temps: nVidia & ATI, CPU, HDD - Do your temps worry you?

Discussion in 'Notebook Dummy Guide Articles' started by Gophn, Oct 8, 2006.

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  1. Train1077

    Train1077 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I was wondering is this temperature high for my processor? I am using NHC to measure..

    During game temps:
    GPU temp: 85 c
    CPU temp: 78-91 c

    AMD turion 64 x2 TL-58 (1,9 GHz, 2 x 512 KB L2 cache)
    2 GB DDR2 RAM
    GeForce 8600M GS, 128-bit, 512 MB DDR2
    Windows Vista home premium 32 bit
    AVG anti-virus
    250 GB 5400rpm HDD
     
  2. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    yes, those temps are extremely high.

    If you are overheating... usually any temp over 90C degrees is bad.

    when was the last time that you cleaned out the fans and vents thoroughly...?

    if never, then thats why.

    1) remove battery
    2) remove/unscrew the panels on the bottom of the notebook to get to fans and vents
    3) use flashlight to look through vents for the dust (if you cant see the light on the other end, then the vents are clogged up)
    4) go outside, get some compressed air (cans or compressor @ 50 PSI) and give the vents a good airing out all directions (concentrating on the vents)
    5) go get some Q-tips and swab the fan blades and the area around it
    6) then go do a second airing with compressed air (all directions again focusing on the fans and vents) to push out the dust that was dislodged from the Q-tips

    7*) Now go use the flashlight again and look through the vents (shine the flashlight from the fan, you look through the other end) for anymore dust clogs.

    8) Then start up the notebook... and let the fans cycle up (use the Fan Toggle at max speed if your system has it) to push out any other dust that might have been stuck.

    If all goes well you should be able to close up the notebook and...

    you're done.

    *repeat this step until its cleaned out.

    Thats pretty much it. :)

    Just make sure to do this every two-three months... it should take about 15-20min per cleaning if you want to be thorough.

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    Gaming notebooks are a new thing, you must realize that you have to take some extra care of them over typical use notebooks:

    1) Battery: to maintain the longevity of any rechargeable battery
    - you must NEVER overcharge it [especially for long durations of time] by keeping it plugged into AC
    - when it reaches 100% you should unplug it and let it discharge to 5-15%, then plug it back to power
    - OR you can just charge it to 50%+ and remove the battery and store in cool place.. not the fridge [remember to use it occasionally 3-4 time a year to charge and discharge it].

    2.) Heat: to prevent a healthy notebook from overheating
    - ALWAYS use the notebook on a clean, hard & flat surface
    - RECOMMENDED to be used on a notebook cooler... namely the Zalman ZM-NC1000 or ZM-NC2000
    - check your fans underneath occasionally (at least once a month or two) for any dust clogs [clean them out with Q-tips and air cans/compressors]
    - ALWAYS monitor the temps (CPU, GPU, HDD, etc..) to watch for fluctuations, which would indicate overheating by dust usually
    (for Clevo notebooks) use the Fan Toggle to switch all fans to Max Speed when gaming and such.

    By doing these simple things, your entire system will easily last for more than 3 years.
     
  3. DJglass

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    Quick bit of advise with compressed air. Jam the fan with something first. The RPM that they can get up to with compressed air can destroy the bearings before you can blink.

    I've just opened mine for a cpu upgrade and found a mess. Not only was the heat sink clogged with dust at the fan end, but I found that there wasn't enough heat paste on the CPU either.
    [​IMG]

    Regardless, after separating the heatsink from the CPU it needs to be cleaned and new arctic silver applied as the old stuff is dried out and won't contact evenly again.

    For interest, I've just replaced my Athlon X2 3800+ with an Opteron 180D. It is peaking at 53 degrees C so far. Sitting fairly idle I watched it drop to 26 according to RMclock.

    As for the battery, charging it adds to your system heat. If you only use the machine on your desk take it out, in fact the manual with mine (yes I actually read it) recommended this. Charge it, discharge it, recharge it once a year for longevity but otherwise remove it.
    I've also raised my laptop off the desk by about half an inch to get more airflow underneath. I've used four rubber "feet" designed for the bottom larger equipment like amplifiers. I don't know how well those commercial laptop cooler platforms really work if the gap between it and your laptop is the same as when it is sitting on a desk anyway. This only cost a few cents.
     
  4. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    I read like the first 3 pages and skipped to the end so dunno if it was brought up but I wanted to mention speedfan & ntune to monitor temps.

    I was having crashes with my c90s and the great thing about both programs is it did a log of sorts on the temps. So I could run 3dmark or something and after a crash open up the log file to see the entire readout of temps up until the crash.

    With live monitoring if you dont see it while it happens you lose that data. It has ram useage, fan speed ect all that stuff can be monitored. Rivatuner is supposed to be great but I just never found that I needed it so have not used it.
     
  5. Big_Blue79

    Big_Blue79 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I need some help I think...

    I just got my Sager 5793 with and I'm having trouble getting a reliable temperature monitoring program. Specs are:

    T8300 processor
    4GB RAM
    8800M GTX (currently 174.90)
    1G Turbo Memory (I now realize it's probably worthless)
    320GB 5200rpm HDD
    Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1

    I tried using RivaTuner (2.09) and, while I can run it, I get the driver digital signature failure. It appears that in Vista now you can no longer run non-digitally signed drivers.

    I downloaded and installed Nvidia NTune, and the first time I ran it I got instant BSOD. Notebook Hardware Control runs into the signed driver problem.

    Is there any program out there that I can use to monitor temps? Also, I was planning on undervoltaging, but I suspect that program is not signed either. Any ideas?
     
  6. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    You can bypass the digital signature, since RivaTuner is best to use for in-game temp monitoring.

    A number of owners with that same notebook use RivaTuner... you can ask them for any details. :)
     
  7. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    here:

    Turn off Digital Driver Signing Check in Vista:

    1. Create a shortcut on the desktop to cmd.exe

    2. Right-click on the shortcut and select Run as administrator

    3. When the command window opens, type or paste the following and press ENTER:

    bcdedit.exe /set nointegritychecks ON
    bcdedit.exe /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS


    4. Reboot

    Note: Make sure you don't have any of the following updates installed

    KB932596
    KB938979
    KB938194

    These all reinforce driver integrity checks. So uninstall them from the Add/Remove Programs section if they are there.
     
  8. Big_Blue79

    Big_Blue79 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hmm... I tried the bcdedit steps, but on reboot nothing changed. I'm guessing I have the listed updates installed, but they don't show under Control Panel > Uninstall a Program > View Installed Updates.

    Is there a way to remove these updates if they don't show up in there? I'd prefer not to reload Vista (but I can if I must), and my DVD has Service Pack 1. I'm guessing that these updates are included in SP1. Anyone got a workaround?
     
  9. Gophn

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    RivaTuner 2.09 should work fine Vista x64 SP1.

    Maybe its the drivers you are using.

    Try this:
    Start -> run -> cmd:

    bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS

    I also recommend to go to the Sager/Clevo sub-forum and ask some owners there that have the same system. :)
     
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    Big_Blue79 Notebook Enthusiast

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  11. bigjohnsonforever

    bigjohnsonforever Notebook Evangelist

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    FYI: you don't have to use start menu to automatically start the rivatuner statistics server, just right click on the server tray icon, click setup and select run at windows startup at the top of the window ;)
     
  12. royski007

    royski007 Notebook Consultant

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    ah.. too bad. i cant use riva to monitor my GPU. x1600 here. the frame/sec OSD work though. ive been using NHC for a year now. Is there anything similar to that software? one that could control the brightness of the LCD too?
     
  13. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    May be you need a plugin?Did you check all the plugins in the set up box?
     
  14. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    Nah, thats not it.

    In the first few pages of this thread, I realized that a number of the ATI mobile GPUs do not have a temp sensor that (to my knowledge and tests) a software can tap into for monitoring... which kinda sucks for the ATI GPU owners.

    While on the other hand, pretty much all discrete Nvidia mobile GPUs seem to function fine with Rivatuner.

    Lastly, RivaTuner and their developers specifically said that they will not support mobile GPUs... making plugins for them and such. "So if it works for you, then fine."
     
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    bigjohnsonforever Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey, just discovered something neat, a program called WindowHidie, good for many porn-related purposes (hit windowkey+z) and that programs window disappears, as well as its taskbar presence AND its task manager presence). You can use it to completely hide the RivaTuner Hardware Monitor so you just see temp in the taskbar. :)
     
  16. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    in some post on this thread that shows another program that can hide windows... i forgot which one it was. :p
     
  17. caramelos

    caramelos Newbie

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    hi all! im totally newby here, hope some one can give me a hand:

    my notebook specs:

    toshiba satellite por a200 ez2204x
    core 2 duo 2ghz t7250
    ram 2038 MB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM
    gma x3100 onboard gpu
    toshiba mk2546gsx hd

    right now the cpu 1 and 2 cores is 76-85 c degrees, with firefox, skype, ie, and avg antivirus scaning open (everest test).

    are those temperatures too high? what are normal temperatures? if an extremely high temperature appears, the notebook shuts down on preventive? my worry appears last few days when i noticed the air coming out from de lateral vent was hotter (or seemed that to me) than before, and maybe the cooler is noisier and more time on.

    thanks in advance

    andres
     
  18. Layne

    Layne Notebook Geek

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    My temps, rigth now, while I'm ''watchin' a movie, are: HDD: 48, Cores - 55, 57; GPU - 60, the ambient temp is quite high - 31 C... during load (like Medal of honor airborne) Hdd goes slightly above 50, cores between 80 - 90, the gpu goes between 85 - 95. I don't know if that's normal, you tell me.
     
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    I can not seem to find 2.05 is 2.09 OK to use?
     
  20. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    Yes, I need to update this guide.

    Get the latest RivaTuner... always. :)
     
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