Mobile Polaris Discussion

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by moviemarketing, Jan 4, 2016.

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  1. James D

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    Ok.. I see some websites already claiming Nvidia's superiority over AMD given what was released on 1080 and 1070 thus far.
    1080 was said to have around 20 - 30% higher performance than Titan X at half the TDP (125W).

    Polaris was (thus far) mentioned to have a theoretical TDP of around 150W, though that it would consume 'far less' (likely around 100 to 110W?).
    So... given what we know of the demo-ed Polaris capabilities... AMD essentially clocked it relatively low (but this could be for mere demonstration purposes).

    Seems to me that AMD could easily (if they wanted to) release a fully unlocked Polaris 10 GPU with say same TDP and clocks like 1080... in which case, any performance differential might be nullified or be just within a few % of each other.

    So, why the doom and gloom beforehand?
    It seems Polaris is more than capable of going up against Pascal at same/similar TDP and clocks... and its (thus far) demonstrations point towards a very capable GPU that moves previous generation high-end performance into the mainstream (Nvidia though seems to be targeting the 'high end', but at relatively low gains).

    Also, just because Polaris is targeting the mainstream on desktops, doesn't necessarily mean it would be worse than Nvidia (who by itself is moving previous high-end performance to what they call 'high end').

    This might/will come down to architecture's capabilities/features, seeing how synthetic benches are not representative of in-game performance.

    Finally... I think performances might actually end up nearly equal between the two in DX11, with a potentially widening gap going into AMD favor given its features and DX12 readiness - though this might not be the case.

    As for release dates... do we know of any concrete release dates for both Polaris and Pascal?
    Isn't Nvidia's launch date earlier but also just a paper launch? Whereas AMD's would be actual launch of both Polaris 10 and 11 that will be released together for desktops and laptops within a month or two later.
     
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    1080 is 180W at 1600MHz, it uses closer to 200W when in boost.
     
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    Ah... tnx for the correction.
    So... doesn't that even give more headway for AMD?
     
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    It would be stupid for AMD to try to compete head to head with nVidia right now. As I wrote previously, Intel have defacto dominance in the low end and nVidia are focused on the very high end where supercomputers and benchmark junkies live. There is a gap between where affordable consumer VR lies, where Intel can't yet compete and nVidia treat as an afterthought. Targeting this market is smart. It gives AMD a first mover advantage in the mainstream consumer VR space.

    So what if Polaris won't be winning any benchmark contests. It doesn't need to win benchmark contests. It's going to be better than almost anything you can put in a desktop or tower today for less than half the money. That's a big win for consumers and for us, especially since nVidia are pricing GTX 1000-series upwards of $50 more than GTX 900-series.
     
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    I was actually thinking something along those lines as well.
    Thing is, I wasn't necessarily thinking that Polaris HAS to butt heads with 1080... I'm just saying that the architecture could certainly pull it off (and quite possibly at a lower TDP compared to Nvidia) if AMD decided to put out a Polaris derivative with comparable TDP and clocks.

    Besides, Polaris 10 is essentially mid-range... so the kind of performance Nvidia touts for 1080 would essentially be in the mid-range for this generation of GPU's.

    It's a shame Zen won't be released until next year... I was hoping to have an all AMD system (Zen APU with Polaris or Vega for discrete gpu and HBM2)... guess I could wait until Zen is released.
    :D
    Though I'll certainly be looking at Polaris with great interest.
     
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    We do know that Polaris 10 was already demonstrated in Hitman Pro at 1440p resolution, maxed out settings and DX12... and it achieved 60FPS (which is higher than FuryX/980Ti... and, the game was locked to this FPS, so we don't know Polaris' maximum achievable FPS potential as of yet).

    I guess some people and websites are going into 'uproar' because Nvidia is bigger than AMD.
    Will be fun to see how things unfold.
     
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