Microsoft.Net Framework add on in Firefox

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  1. davepermen

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    why don't you bother? i actually work with that technology, so I know quite well what it is and why.

    don't be so anti microsoft, as long as you use it at least.
     
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    I dont bother because it will probably end in an argument (again) and i dont want to fill 5 pages (again) with arguments, sounds reasonable i hope. Im not anti microsoft, but as most people i hate when companies install things on my computer without asking my permission. Especially something that is no use for me.

    Im sure if someone actually uses that technology microsoft can pretty much make a plugin available for download instead of "auto" installing it in all windows users...

    Not to mention that most people out there click a lot of links without knowing what they are (www.notebookreview.com), with this technology its really easy to install spyware/malware in your computer hence where the words of "most dangerous vulnerabilities" people post come from.
     
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    I don't want to argue with you. I just want to clear up what it's really about, and make sure people don't believe the internet-hype that is definitely untrue, and stated without finding the facts for what it really is.

    they asked you for permission. it's part of the .net framework 3.5 and was actually user requested: finally support for clickonce in firefox. you would just have to read what you agree to when you install optional windows updates... yes, i know, who does that? but they DID asked you to agree on it :)

    and no, you can't install a virus with clickonce, it's simply not possible. as i stated, it's a sandboxed safe environment. you can't get anything into autorun etc trough it.
    at least not without huge warnings before that the users WOULD notice. apps that need more access (no app can get to autorun by itself really) have to request it from the user (similar to UAC), and the user would notice it. the only apps that really CAN do "clickonce", means just a click on the link and then starting are signed apps with a user-trusted certificate, that go to the LOWEST rights possible. that means, all the app can do, is communicate back to the web. so it's more or less like a webapp. just a rich one, not some html-thingy. it's a full app that can be installed locally, but never hurts the system.


    problem is, since .net 1.1 or so, clickonce existed. and since then, people who wrote apps got the problem that it never worked over firefox. other browsers fixed this, so only firefox was really left behind. and so those app developers got tons of support calls. and they wanted a fix. with .net 3.5, they get the fix. clickonce, browserindependent.
     
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    And now its the part that i have to say "go check the MSDN link and Google search about this plugin in general to see what people are saying. That they never got a notification for that plugin (as me)", "people say otherwise about the security" and bla bla bla...

    And quoting...

     
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    and AGAIN you should inform yourself about the technology instead of reposting your stuff. you don't want to bother? then how about thinking if my stuff might be true? because i actually use that stuff since years and make money with it (not much, but a bit).

    it is documented, and the user agreed when installing. it was NOT OBVIOUS and it should have been. that is true.

    and it is NO security risk. it just isn't. don't believe me? fine. but it's still true.
     
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    Dont get why you like to annoy me dave seriously...

    YOU use it I DONT, doesnt mean it has to be installed on every pc because YOU use it. I NEVER used it and probably i never will. Take the average user for example, meaning auto install windows updates. The notification you will get about that plugin is minimal (if you get one since i dont even recall getting one).

    As for the security risks, for people to actually saying that something is unsecured and i mean a lot of people, with a simple Google search you will be amazed how many sites talk about this plug in, it means its partially true, except if you live in a magical world where everything is secure and there are no holes in software for people to exploit.

    And again, this will GET US NO WHERE! You believe in what you say, i believe in what i say, same as UAC same as a lot of other things, no reason to spam every single thread when we dont have the same opinion.
     
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    people say always to microsoft it's insecure. but .NET is actually the most secure platform they ever created, completely from the ground up designed with security in mind.

    you should just believe me instead of googling up panic.

    you always find negative crap on the web, and you know that.


    i do have backings other than google searching for fancy blogs that cry around. i work with that stuff and look behind what it's really about instead of sticking my fingers into my ears singing lalalalala.

    and all i did was saying your statement is wrong, and based on bad, because untrue information.

    you started the war.

    you can uninstall it, no problem. but instead of crying why it has to be uninstalled in that convoluted way, just think on how it got on the system, and that it can't be uninstalled that easily. it's technically impossible, and this is not a bad thing (this is part of the security of nowadays systems. the system can't mess with the individual user directly, the user can't directly with the system. welcome to uac, partly :)

    and you can not need it, no problem with that.

    but stating that facts aren't true, when someone which actually uses it states his knowledge is just .. sad.


    we all try to help in here. but some know stuff from personal experience, and some don't. why don't you in this case believe me who uses and develops with it? i try to be there for you, i try to help. it's annoying to get bashed down for this, really..
     
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    My personal observation:

    . This is what the MS add-on is all about!

    Extracted quote:

    "The .NET Framework Assistant for Firefox enables ClickOnce stand-alone applications to run from the Firefox browser. The .NET Framework Assistant functions identically when installed before and after the Firefox browser. When the Firefox browser is launched and the .NET Framework Assistant is present, Firefox finds and installs the add-on. Users can configure the assistant to do the following:

    * Prompt before running the application.
    * Report all installed versions of the .NET Framework or just the latest version.
    "

    So it is quite debatable if MS did it behind FF users or FF forgets to inform users that a new add-on is about to be installed.

    . Regardless of the positive effect of the add-on to a browser it is understandable why users jump on MS about this (love hate relationship of Windows users :D). By the way Opera and Safari do rely on the presence of Microsoft.net framework in order to work correctly in many cases under Windows platform as well.

    . But if one compares what MS does and what Google does as far as "installing" something "behind" users' back I would just shrug it off and take it as part of the business and that is, if you use the product and can stand its under-handed feature once in a while and when it is not "hurting" you.

    So: peace, everyone? :D

    My 2 cents :D

    cheers ...
     
  9. CooLMinE

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    Dave, i pasted links, its not my statement. You cant uninstall it by default. You are not god hence you dont know everything, 100 people have more knowledge than you, because you say something it doesnt mean its correct.

    And again, i pasted links, i didnt write the info... (and then say that all people out there are wrong, yey).
     
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    Guess - no (not yet) peace :D (oh well)

    cheers ...
     
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