Macbook Pro 16'' 2019 - Official Guide To Applying Liquid Metal

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  1. Arondight

    Arondight Notebook Geek

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    I don't quite get how this laptop being a pain in the ass to mod makes it poorly made?

    Severely overpriced? Something I never understood is seemingly smart people being completely and utterly unable to understand that what they want and value in a product isn't what others might want. If you want the absolute best performances a laptop can provide you obviously don't get this laptop. If you want a fairly powerful but very thin/light laptop with a good accurate screen, very good battery life, in a package that can conveniently be charged with USB-C and all of this with best in class build quality, this laptop is the only one that fits the bill and its price is just fine.

    I've had everything from XPS 15s, Blade 15s, Aero 15x, Clevos... and I never mindlessly bashed another product because it doesn't fit my needs / I don't like a brand. I'm not 13 anymore.
     
  2. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    Poorly made is in reference to the engineering (or lack thereof) including hideous thermal management (actually a lack thereof) and the performance impairment that is a direct result of that. The materials are top notch, and some of the other things you listed are features that some will appreciate and find compelling. Paying a high price for a premium product makes good sense. Paying a price premium for something that overheats and thermal throttles doesn't seem like it rises to the same level of intelligence. That's not an Apple-exclusive problem either. It is merely one of the examples. It is an issue that many, if not most, notebooks are cursed with, and many of them are overpriced.
     
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  3. Arondight

    Arondight Notebook Geek

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    These thin & light laptops are compromises. A compromise between mobility and performance. You are basically arguing against the laws of physics claiming the thermal issues of these laptops are on engineering as if they could make mass produced laptops just as thin/light without thermal constraints. No, the top tier engineers with top tier education working at Apple are not dumb, designing these laptops is a balancing act. If you value mobility as much as you value performances that compromise is a very sensible choice, sacrificing 10-20% of a CPU's theoretical absolute max performance so you get something twice as portable is a fine compromise (theoretical example). This is once again where I just don't get the inability to see beyond one's needs.

    It's like you see what I'm writing but refuse to understand it. You value performances above all else and would seemingly sacrifice mobility and other features in a heartbeat for more of it. That's great, more power to you. But can't you understand that some people value mobility and other things just as they value performances? You hyper focus on a CPU not maintaining its max boost clock and write off the entire machine. Can't you see how you're completely missing the point of these machines? For someone who understands that performance and mobility is a balancing act and as of today require compromises, how exactly are these laptops overpriced? They are best in class in their category (thin/light high perf laptops), with not only good mobility but for some of them the best build quality you can find on the market and other added features.

    How hard is it to understand that what you need isn't necessarily what the world needs? If you had no choice but to buy MacBooks or XPS 15s I'd understand, but there is plenty of choice for the "performance above all else" crowd and cheaper thin & light laptops for those who don't want to pay for the bells and whistles.
     
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  4. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    No there is almost nothing whatsoever. Therein lies the issue. The options that you can count on one hand that are pitched as the fit for that niche are basically trash, too. Only one or two even qualify as a near miss.
     
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  5. kingofswag187

    kingofswag187 Notebook Deity

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    Something I've found very helpful is applying thermal pads to the heatpipe itself, it conducting heat to the bottom of the chassis when benching gives you much more headroom, as well it being cooler for general usage. I don't use my MBP on my laptop at all so I don't mind the increased bottom temp.

    Also https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/42946114
    Not bad for a old girl eh?
     
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  6. electrosoft

    electrosoft Tick Tock Clarice....

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    Yeah, this is a version of an old trick for Macbooks where you can also apply thermal pads.

    Heatsink-Thermal Pads-Case.

    I have a post somewhere in here where I mention the trifecta (LM, HS->TP->Case) and cutting fan outlets on the bottom to maximize cooling.

    Anything to cool 'em down. :)

    Found it:

    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2018-macbook-pro-cooling-mod.2147106/
     
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  7. kingofswag187

    kingofswag187 Notebook Deity

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    Thats you? Thats actually where I got my inspiration from lol, the comments in that thread are a little "interesting" if you ask me
     
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    electrosoft Tick Tock Clarice....

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    No, that's not me. That was one of the original threads I stumbled upon when I had mentioned a thermal pad interface between the heatsink and case due to the close proximity here in the forums some time back. I can't take credit for the initial idea.

    I know there was a web page someone had dedicated to a full mod build out with the LM, TPs and fan cut outs and the results were excellent.

    If I picked up a 16" Macbook, I'd hunt down a replacement bottom and do the thermal pad mod with cut outs.

    Best bet would be to hunt down or construct fan guards that are convex in shape so they act as protection and rear elevation all in one.

    Maybe @DaMafiaGamer wants to extend his LM job and mod the bottom along with thermal pads so the heatsink won't soak as quick.
     
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