Looking to upgrade from a 650m, but cannot decide between 870m and 880m. Help?

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  1. zenhic

    zenhic Notebook Enthusiast

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    Meaker, you seem to be the only one so far that is ambivalent about me overclocking the 870m, rather than out-rightly advocating against it. Which would you think to be the better long term solution?
     
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    zenhic Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you for your reply. What do you mean by "playing the silicon lottery"? Are all 870's not made the same?
     
  3. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

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    They are made the same but that doesn't mean that they have the same headroom. This is why there is silicon binning. Honestly, 870m chips are probably 880m chips that didn't cut it with all 8 SMX units active so they disabled one, shrank the bus, and called it an 870 and saved their top-performing chips for the 880 cards. Its a pretty common practice actually.
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    You don't hugely need to overclock the core, it's more about unlocking the power limits to prevent it from throttling.

    A good target would be 1006mhz on the core, then see how far the memory can go and still be stable to help feed the core.

    The 870M will likely have similar clocks to the 880M with a slight shift downwards for the bell curve as a whole, either they have disabled perfectly good cores or it had one defective unit as both ship at similar clocks and disabling units never saves much power.
     
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    You can Upgrade to HD8970M 4gb your P150EM

    CEG - Clevo Extreme Gaming
     
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    Personally, I would get the 870m. It's the best bang for your buck and it's only a few less frames than the 880m and you're saving at least $300. Besides, it'll run most games on High at 1080p just fine.
     
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    I ended up going with the 870 because most of the benchmark results I read showed the two within 3fps of one another and that just wasnt worth $300 for me. If I can eek out 1 or 2 more fps with an overclock than great! If not, I can live with the realistically pretty small performance difference.
     
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    With the 880M you do pay a premium for having the top GPU which doesn't always translate to that much better performance for the price difference.

    The 870M you went with should still treat you very well.
     
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    Djask Notebook Consultant

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    880M overclocking hasn't been too much of a problem for me. I could reach near GTX 770/680 speeds with it, and without too much temperature rise at all. Albeit, I was pretty limited with my PSU :/
     
  10. D2 Ultima

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    EDIT: I am stupid and did not notice he already went with the 870M. I'll just spoiler-wrap this post so he can read it and maybe change his mind if he wants.

    Honestly, the 870M will never surpass a 880M in terms of raw potential. The 880M is a better GPU in terms of strength (though nVidia apparently has a few issues they need to fix with it, but they're working on it right now as far as I know) and the 870M is basically a side-grade to the 680M. The 680M had very slow memory and core clocks. The core was able to go up pretty high, but the memory was not heavily overclockable due to a design limitation.

    The 870M is what happens when you take a 680M and bump the default clock speed from 720MHz to 941MHz and the memory from 3600MHz to 5000MHz. The downside is that the memory bus went from 256-bit to 192-bit. In effect, it's the same difference performance-wise; the 680M usually limited itself to 4400/4600 maximum memory clocks while the 870M will easily hit 6000 on the memory clocks. Now the 880M has 5000MHz on the memory and can hit 6000MHz on the memory easily too, but the memory bus is 256-bit there, so the memory will always be better. The core speed too, will likely be a lot better because even at the same core speed, the number of cores is less on both the 680M and 870M versus the 880M (1344 versus 1536).

    To summarize, more cores = more items to process graphics. So if you had 9 clones of a lumberjack building a house, 10 clones of the same lumberjack would build it a bit faster.

    As for memory, think of it like cars on a highway. If you have a wider highway, more cars can pass. 680M has a wide highway but each car is travelling slower than the 870M. The 880M both has the faster cars of the 870M but also has the wider highway of the 680M. I hope this lets you understand things a bit easier.

    As for performance... the 880M versus the 870M, both cards at stock and at stock vBIOSes will likely run similarly. When you get proper vBIOSes under control (which people are working on now) and the throttling on the 880M stops (throttling is slowing down of core speed to handle heat, something which does not work correctly right now on stock vBIOS) and the drivers etc work great, the 880M will be by and large the better card to have.

    If you want, the 870M with a 6000MHz memory clock (and maybe a slight OC on the core) will perform almost exactly like the GTX 660Ti desktop card. If you think the 660Ti's performance is good for you and won't leave you wanting, then go clear for the 870M and save yourself some money and we'll help you with OCing when you're ready.

    If you want the 880M's benchmarks; with 6000MHz on the core and stable clock speeds, it's pretty much 13MHz slower than a GTX 680. So you can use a 680's benchmarks to see how strong the 880M is. If the 680 benchmarks are something you're more interested in having, especially if you're willing to possibly do a couple repastes with really good thermal paste etc to make sure your temps are fine, you can even go beyond that and consider your card to be inbetween a 680 and a 770 in terms of raw power... but with 8GB vRAM.

    In the end, it's all on you to decide, but I hope that clarifies the power that each card is capable of bringing to you, and I hope you can use those cards' benchmarks to decide for yourself which you would want more, or if the 880M is justified as being that much more expensive than the 870M for you. Personally, I went with my two 780Ms because I wanted my laptop to last me a solid 4-5 years, and I'm dead certain I will still be playing games on "high" 3 years from now at 1080p. So also think about how long you want to keep this machine as your primary machine, and that may influence your decision a bit more =D.
     
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