Looking for a used laptop with a MXM Type B slot and does NOT use Nvidia Optimus

Discussion in 'What Notebook Should I Buy?' started by R3n, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. R3n

    R3n Notebook Enthusiast

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    General Questions

    1) What is your budget?
    Would prefer something for $200-400, but if it comes with a powerful GPU, up to $800.

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?
    Preferably anywhere from 14in to 15.6in, but I'd be alright with up to 17.3in.

    3) Which country will you buying this notebook?
    United States

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
    b. Dislike: Gigabyte/Aorus, Lenovo

    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?
    Used or refurbished/redistributed are fine. As long as it comes with everything like the battery, HDD caddy, charger, etc I'm happy.

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?
    Gaming, but I will do some tasks that can be RAM intensive, as this'll be like my desktop when away from home. So, I'd prefer 4 RAM slots, and it to come with a 2x8GB config for me to upgrade later to 4x8GB.

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?
    Both

    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? (If so, please state which games or types of games?)
    Yes, I can go anywhere from playing non-intensive games like Civilization 5 and Half-Life 2, to intensive games like Rust, Battlefield 4, and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?
    I'd be fine with just 2-3 hours of gaming, but more is always better.

    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?
    I'd like to see images of it first, but I don't need to see it in person.

    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Chrome OS, etc.
    I can install basically any OS on it, but I'd like to do most of my normal tasks on Windows 7, and have an install of Windows Vista for certain older games, and to play around with trying to get newer games and applications working on Vista. I don't care what the laptop comes with, and I'd just reinstall the OS because I'm paranoid.

    Screen Specifics

    12) What screen resolution(s) would you prefer? (See further below for explanations.)
    1920x1080 or higher

    13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen? (See further below for explanations.)
    Would prefer matte, but alright with glossy

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
    I would prefer something more blocky instead of angular, and I'd prefer at least part of it being metal. If I went somewhere, I'd want people when they see my laptop to think it's a generic business laptop rather than a gaming laptop.

    Notebook Components

    15) How much hard drive space do you need?
    I'll likely buy a 2TB SSD to replace whatever the laptop comes with, so it really doesn't matter, but I'd prefer the laptop to have more than one slot for a HDD.

    One unlisted thing I want to add. I'd prefer the laptop to have a DVD drive, or at least have a docking station that includes one, but I'd be fine without it if you can't find a laptop with one.

    Timing, Warranty and Longevity


    16) When are you buying this laptop?
    Likely in the next 1-4 months, unless I get some other idea.

    17) How long do you expect to use this laptop?
    2-3 years, at least

    18) How long could you afford to do without your laptop if it were to fail?
    I could fall back to my GS60 2QE, which is still pretty capable.

    19) Would you be willing to pay significantly extra for on-site warranty, or would it be acceptable to you to have to ship the laptop to the vendor for repair with perhaps a week or more outage?
    I don't want to pay significantly extra, I'd be fine if I paid a little extra though. I'd be ok having to ship it off, as my GS60 2QE would likely work fine, but I don't think that many eBay sellers give warrantys.


    Other Information

    Because I'd be running Vista, I'd prefer to have an Ivy Bridge laptop, but win32 over on the MSFN forums is working on a fix for the Haswell+ issues on Vista, and is close to being done, so if I wait a bit, I'd possibly be able to go with any Haswell+ laptop. Also, because I'd be experimenting with Vista, I can not have Nvidia Optimus. Even if I wasn't playing around with Vista, Nvidia Optimus reduces performance, and just makes everything worse.

    I'm going to be using Vista on this, because I'm thinking about selling my secondary PC running Vista and 7 to a friend that needs a somewhat capable PC

    If I end up getting a laptop with DDR4, I'd be alright with two RAM slots, as 2x16GB is relatively cheap. Though, I'd still prefer 4 RAM slots.

    For the GPU, I'd either be upgrading the laptop's MXM GPU to a GTX 980m, or a GTX 1070 mobile, or if the laptop's cooling solution allows, a 1080 mobile.

    My first choice was the HP 8770W on eBay, but because Novideo decided LVDS support is bad, I'd only be able to use the 980m, unless I spent a ton of money on a DreamColor upgrade kit for the laptop. The laptop is also 17.3in, and I'd rather go with the 15.6in version, the HP 8570W, but it only has MXM Type A, so, can't go that route.

    I'd prefer the laptop to have a M.2 slot for the WiFi card, as I have a Vista compatible M.2 WiFi card, but I'd be fine with Mini PCIe.

    I decided to post here after a chat with a friend about this topic. I realized there are most likely better laptops out there, but I was unable to find them.

    If there's anything else you need to know, just ask.
     
  2. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    What's wrong with your GS60 for what you do?

    Charles
     
  3. R3n

    R3n Notebook Enthusiast

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    The CPU runs hot, I got the CPU up to 90+C while it was under 50% usage, and I just repasted the CPU like a month or two ago. The battery is expanding, the display has some blemishes, the trackpad sometimes breaks, 3GB of VRAM isn't really enough, and I'd like to have more than 16GB of RAM without needing to spend a ton on the RAM.

    Adding together the cost of what all I can repair/change, the display, trackpad, RAM, and battery, I get $354.17. For that price, I could buy a laptop, and then later upgrade it, and be happier with the temps and performance.
     
  4. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    Your dilemma is, essentially, that you need an older technology laptop to run Windows Vista/7 because the games and software you want to use won't work Windows 10 or any other modern OS. Is that accurate?
    Sorry for the Q&A but I want to make sure I understand the scope of this request before I recommend something (as I'm sure is the case for other members who might offer advice).

    Charles
     
  5. Khenglish

    Khenglish Notebook Deity

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    I'm not sure what you can get in that price range. Old systems like the P370EM and P370SM have eDP options, direct output, and 9, 10, and 20 series GPU support as long as its standard (or close to standard) size. CPU will be slow for modern times. Cables for eDP are problematic. There is a thread on it somewhere. The native eDP cable has a 50 pin LCD connector which only works for a few screens. There are 30 pin cables for other systems that can be rewired. There is a 40 pin .5mm pitch cable that can be rewired, but it may be too short. 40 pin .4mm requires very precise soldering to build.

    For systems like ZM and later series with the modern eDP motherboard header for proper cables, I would expect you would need to pay much more.

    My understanding is Alienware systems tend to have more issues with GPU upgrades. Someone else more knowledgeable needs to chime in. My understanding is eDP is very difficult.
     
  6. R3n

    R3n Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yeah

    Well, Alienware systems are pretty gamery looking, and I don't like that aesthetic. The P370EM and SM aren't as gamery, but still pretty eh for me. I also can't find any of those models on eBay, only parts for those laptops.

    I don't really want to fool around with cables for eDP and whatever, I just want a basic slot the GPU in and go experience. Maybe later on I would try upgrading the display, but for now, I just want something that works.
     
  7. Khenglish

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    Yeah you're gonna have to spend more for that. Might as well get a new 2060 or 1660 ti system.
     
  8. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Get a Ryzen 7-based laptop, upgrade it to 32-64 GB of RAM, and run a VM for older games. You could dedicate 1-4 cores and 4-8 GB of RAM and likely get close to original hardware performance. Only question would be graphics performance. I think VirtualBox only supports up to DirectX 9. Maybe VMWare Workstation is better.
     
  9. R3n

    R3n Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'd need at least two GPUs and IOMMU support for any decent performance, and from what I've heard Ryzen u series processors don't play well with Windows 7, so not really an option even without looking at price.
     
  10. jotm

    jotm Notebook Evangelist

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    You can just turn off Optimus/hybrid graphics, fwiw
     
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