Looking for a laptop that can run with an external 4k monitor 60hz (Canada)

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  1. King_Wolf

    King_Wolf Notebook Geek

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    General Questions

    1) What is your budget?

    $900 Canadian

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?

    Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen

    3) Which country will you buying this notebook?

    Canada

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?


    I have no preference

    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?

    Yes.

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?

    - Web browsing
    - Word Processing
    - Netflix and youtube including 60 fps videos

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?

    Both

    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? (If so, please state which games or types of games?)

    No.

    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?

    4+ Hours

    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?

    Buying online without seeing is ok

    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows, Mac OS, Linux, Chrome OS, etc.

    Windows

    Screen Specifics

    12) What screen resolution(s) would you prefer? (See further below for explanations.)

    Built in display must be at least 1080p but must also be able to run an external 4k monitor 60hz.

    13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen? (See further below for explanations.)

    Both is fine.

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?

    I just prefer something that does not look like a gaming laptop.

    Notebook Components

    15) How much hard drive space do you need?

    500+ Gb

    Timing, Warranty and Longevity


    16) When are you buying this laptop?

    Within the next 2 months.

    17) How long do you expect to use this laptop?


    4-5 Years

    18) How long could you afford to do without your laptop if it were to fail?

    3-4 days


    19) Would you be willing to pay significantly extra for on-site warranty, or would it be acceptable to you to have to ship the laptop to the vendor for repair with perhaps a week or more outage?

    It would be acceptable to have the laptop shipped to the vendor for repairs if it saves me money.
     
  2. N2ishun

    N2ishun Notebook Consultant

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    The problem you'll find is that only very few select ports can handle 4k60.
    Display Port 1.4 can ...as can thunderbolt 3.
    Do the research if that's what you really need in a new lappy.
     
  3. Tech Junky

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    Most laptops can support 4K60 it's 4K120+ that becomes the hurdle. When you enter that arena is when you need better options like TB3/TB4 or USB 3.2+ for the bandwidth. HDMI handles 4K60/4K120 just fine if the GPU is wired for them. The TB ports are helpful when running 2+ external monitors as it's 1 I/O port from the PC to the hub >> monitors.

    The streaming portion is going to be more dependent on the HW / ISP to have the bandwidth to push the 4K option. If the ISP isn't providing enough bandwidth to pull the bigger data stream it auto downshifts to the next available profile on the Streamer side.

    Now, if the intent is to watch streaming 4K on your laptop screen that's possible with a panel upgrade after purchase for ~$150 and 15-30 minutes of your time to pull the panel, put the new panel in. For the best results though on streaming high res video you'll want not only look at the panel but the underlying systems i.e. CPU / GPU since that's where the decoding will take place. I have a GTX 1650 GPU (4GB) and it handles it fine for the most part but, If I'm looking for it I can see some pixel shifting while streaming locally. The panel I upgraded to is a 4K60 though in the hunt I was looking at 4K120 as well but, couldn't find it in stock at a decent price around the start of the pandemic due to supplies being limited.

    $990 C is a decent enough budget for a Clevo / Sager model and tacking on the quick repair warranty is where it will hurt with any option though as they tend to add $200+ to the price. If it's a decent build the warranty will be wasted money. I went with a I7-950H / GTX1650 model off e-bay for $740 shipped and then tweaked the HW post purchase. Fending a higher spec'd GPU though might push the price up a bit more unless waiting is an option for the market to correct a bit on pricing or another major release from the OEM's.
     
  4. King_Wolf

    King_Wolf Notebook Geek

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    When I google HDMI 1.4 it says it can only run 4k @ 30hz.
     
  5. N2ishun

    N2ishun Notebook Consultant

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    Display Port 1.4......NOT HDMI
     
  6. Tech Junky

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    The really short version
    Don't like reading (much)? Here are the highlights:

    • The physical connectors and cables look the same as today's HDMI.
    • Improved bandwidth from 18 gigabits per second (HDMI 2.0) to 48Gbps (HDMI 2.1).
    • Can carry resolutions up to 10K, frame rates up to 120 frames per second.
    • New cables are required for higher resolutions and/or frame rates.
    • Many new TVs have at least one HDMI 2.1 input.
    • The main sources that can take advantage of 2.1 right now are the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X, as well as high-end graphics cards like the Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 and RTX 3080.
    The increased resolution and frame rate possibilities are a futurist's dream:

    • 4K50/60
    • 4K100/120
    • 5K50/60
    • 5K100/120
    • 8K50/60
    • 8K100/120
    • 10K50/60
    • 10K100/120
    You should be able to get 4K/60, and a basic 8K/30, with current cables, but the rest will need an Ultra High Speed HDMI cable. More on these new cables below.

    On the color front, 2.1 supports BT.2020 and 16 bits per color. This is the same as HDMI 2.0a/b, and is what makes wide color gamut possible.

    Those are just the highlights, though. Read on for the details.
    https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-ente...nlocks-ps5-and-xbox-series-x-8k-tvs-and-more/
     
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    Did you bother to read the reviews on that (they are always cheesy) convertor cable ?
    Sorta sounds like exactly what I was trying to say above...and sorta blows TechJunky's TLDR post out.
    Display Port 1.4 or better
    Thunderbolt 3 or better
    You will run into no issues using those (without a cheesy convertor mind you but a direct port) just about every other option is janky and will have issues.

    BTW, that HP laptop has diddly for a decent port....I mean it has bare bones nothing (usb 3 and hdmi1.4 ? pfft).
    Check this... https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP7859JQ.html
    That's more betterer
    Display port 1.4 and it's only 1200'ish
     
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