Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme benchmarks + temps

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  1. custom90gt

    custom90gt Dellerator Super Moderator

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    Those of you who check the Dell XPS forums know that I have had a couple of XPS systems (multiple from every model) and have done some benchmark/temp mini-reviews on them. I received the X1 Extreme a few days ago and decided to do the same for this. This is a "live" review as I will be updating it over the next couple of days. I welcome any benchmark requests (as long as I have it or it is free that is, lol).

    Specs of my X1 Extreme:
    CPU: i7-8750H
    GPU: 1050 Ti Max-Q
    Ram: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz (single stick)
    SSD: 512GB Intel 7600P (SSDPEKKF512G8L)
    Screen: FHD

    Stock Benchmarks with windows power slider at "better peformance" and Lenovo Vantage left on "enable intelligent cooling"

    Time Spy - 2402
    Time Spy Extreme - 1106
    Fire Strike - 6549
    Fire Strike Extreme - 3324
    Fire Strike Ultra - 1694
    Sky Diver - 19280
    Cloud Gate - 24046
    Ice Storm - 79560
    Ice Storm Unlimited - 160401
    3DMark 11 Performance - 8661
    3DMark 11 Extreme - 3262
    Unigine Heaven Extreme -1113
    RealBench System Score - 91,862
    CPU-Z Multi Score - 2611.3
    Cinebench R15 - Open GL 96.16FPS, CPU 915 cb, Single 174 cb
    Corona - 4:08
    7-Zip Total Rating - 32880 MIPS
    PCMark 10 - 4892
    PCMark 8 Home Accelerated - 3672
    PCMark 8 Creative Accelerated - 3516
    PCMark 8 Work Accelerated - 5294
    Y-Cruncher 25M (sec) - 27.068
    Y-Cruncher 1B (sec) - 133.006
    Super Pi 1M (sec) - 9.248s
    Super Pi 32M (min:sec) - 8m 48.422s
    Prime95 64k Bench (iter/sec) - 20068.76
    Prime95 2048k Bench (iter/sec) - 210.53
    AIDA64 Cache - AIDA64 Cache.PNG

    Thermals
    Testing for the thermal section is done with a variety of tools. I am using Prime95 29.4B7 to test the CPU, RTHDRIBL as a light GPU load, and RealBench 2.56 as a heavy workload on both the CPU and GPU.

    X1 Thermals.PNG



    Undervolting
    The CPU in my little X1 seems to be pretty decent quality wise. I was able to undervolt it by 165mv and it is 4 hour RealBench, 10 hour Prime95 Small FFT, and 8 hour AIDA64 system stress test stable. I am not concentrating on a how to for this but can add more detail if anyone requests it.

    Repasting
    Some how Lenovo managed to apply more paste to the X1 Extreme than Dell did their XPS 9570, no small feat mind you. Removing the stock paste and applying some Kryonaut yielded the results above. Not a huge decrease, but worth it in my opinion. I may try something different like ICDiamond to see if it helps because the dual tripod design of the heatsink doesn't apply much pressure.
     
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    Modifications
    So I think I've arrived at a point where I am fairly happy with my results finally. Here is a list of everything that was done before I re-ran all of the benchmarks.
    1. Undervolted the CPU and CPU cache by 165mv - by far the best "bang for the buck" so to speak.
    2. Repasted the CPU and GPU with Kryonaut - worth it if you're comfortable with repasting and already have the supplies
    3. Set the Thinkpad Vantage Program to optimize for performance - seems to increase the long and short turbo boost to a higher wattage. Causes the system to run hotter but not out of hand.
    4. Removed the fan grill "sticker" from the bottom of the case - very much worth it to me as the noise these fans put out were beyond annoying prior to doing this.
    5. Overclocked the GPU by 200MHz and the vram by 350MHz - not only do I get a big performance boost, it actually runs at a much lower VID.

    Benchmarks with the above mods:
    Time Spy - 2549
    Time Spy Extreme - 1184
    Fire Strike - 6942
    Fire Strike Extreme - 3522
    Fire Strike Ultra - 1795
    Sky Diver - 20829
    Cloud Gate - 27566
    Ice Storm - 76172
    Ice Storm Unlimited - 161975
    3DMark 11 Performance - 9242
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/130691973DMark 11 Extreme - 3455
    Unigine Heaven Extreme - 1191
    RealBench System Score - 114,708
    CPU-Z Multi Score - 3428.2
    Cinebench R15 - OpenGL 101.61FPS, CPU 1206 cb, Single 171 cb
    Corona - 3:07
    7-Zip Total Rating - 38846
    PCMark 10 - 5224
    PCMark 8 Home Accelerated - 3524
    PCMark 8 Creative Accelerated - 3492
    PCMark 8 Work Accelerated - 5191
    Y-Cruncher 25M (sec) - 25.041
    Y-Cruncher 1B (sec) - 121.208
    Super Pi 1M (sec) - 9.264
    Super Pi 32M (min:sec) - 8:45.5
    Prime95 64k Bench (iter/sec) - 27908.59
    Prime95 2048k Bench (iter/sec) - 241.88
    AIDA64 Cache - AIDA64 Cache.PNG

    To make things easier to read here is a before and after:
    Before&After.png
    AIDA64.png
     
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    custom90gt Dellerator Super Moderator

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    Here is a quick and dirty against my Dell XPS 9570 benchmarks and temps both stock and modified:
    X1vs9570Temps.png
    X1vs9570Bench.png

    Obviously there are pros/cons to each laptop. I would say the X1 feels much lighter and easier to carry around, has a better keyboard, has a spare NVMe slot, and doesn't have the GPU throttling that the Dell does. The XPS feels better built to me, the screen is much better, much better battery life, and is much faster at CPU related tasks than the X1.

    So after reading about @B0B's experiences with the Overpowered laptop and having single vs dual channel memory, I decided to purchase 32GB of matched memory to re-run some of the benchmarks. There are some decent gains to be had even from a synthetic benchmark point of view and it helped to even out with the XPS by a bit:

    32GB.png
     
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    There is lot of talk in reddit about somekind of "mesh" in the back panel that interferes with the fans. Many have said that removing the mesh will help a lot with the fan noise. Not sure what mesh they are talking about as i haven't seen it in any pictures.
     
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    I was actually looking for a replacement back panel so I could cut out the mesh. I will try to take a picture of it, basically it's just the fan grill that covers the fan, the design is silly for sure. I sure hope it helps with the fans because that (and the screen) are really the big things holding me back from keeping it...

    *on edit* after looking again, it's just a stuck on mesh so I went ahead and removed it. The fan pitch is much much better now. It's still louder than my XPS but not near as annoying anymore!
     
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    Alright I have the benchmarks with the "Mods" in place. I will finish up my excel calculations later today and post everything up, including the comparison to my Dell XPS 9570...
     
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    Alright that about does it. Let me know if there are any benches or anything someone would like to see. I am still undecided which laptop I will keep as they both have their ups and downs. I will play with the lenovo some more though.
     
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    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Good job, Man! That's a lot of hard work leading to amazing results. I was looking at this model but eventually gave up on it. Too many compromises in the end. Entry level GPU. Limited storage for a 15" machine. You absolutely have to undervolt if you need real performance. And those temps are still not quite convincing. If your room temp is 25-30C, it will easily break 90C even with repaste + undervolt + raised back. No black magic here. But it's a very nice machine for sure. Very stylish and fits the niche quite nicely.

    Personally, I ended up getting a E485 with Ryzen 2700u + Vega 10. Only cost me 500$, but those 10W can provide half of the CPU+GPU performance of a X1 Extreme for less than 1/4 of the cost. In addition, I have a crazy storage capacity in this slim 14" package - Full-size NVMe + 2.5" bay = 6TB SSD storage that can be achieved right now. Finally can happily ditch W10 and move to the dark side, as linux seems to work very smooth with Ryzens.
     
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    Yeah I am fortunate to have an office in the basement so my temps are pretty much a constant 22C. I'm actually pretty surprised by the temps of the laptop. Lenovo does limit CPU power pretty quickly so that helps with the temps. The 1050ti is good enough for the games that I play when I'm not at home on my 2080ti and 34" monitor. Sadly there aren't any great thin gaming laptops aside from the GS65 and Blade 15, but those laptops are $$$. I paid $1200 for the X1 and $1000 for the 9570, but the 9570 was refurbished.
     
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    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Yeah, I agree, not much choice when it comes to thin gaming laptops. Nothing even remotely close to my 2 year old OLED AW 13 + Amplifier. The new AW M15 has terrible cooling system. Hope they reintroduce OLEDs next year along with better cooled laptops.
     
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