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Lenovo Thinkpad T410 Owner's Lounge

Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by TinyRK, Jan 26, 2010.

  1. TinyRK

    TinyRK Notebook Evangelist

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    Let's wrap some things up for the T410!

    DO NOT UPDATE TO THE NEWEST BIOSes 1.12 or 1.15 until you read this
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=464864




    Reviews:
    http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3782
    http://hothardware.com/Articles/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T410-Review/
    http://www.thinkpads.com/2010/03/01/review-lenovo-thinkpad-t410/
    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5525&review=lenovo thinkpad t410
    http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T410-2522-3FG-Notebook.25119.0.html
    http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-t410.aspx

    Lenovo T410 Service Training guide videos:
    http://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/ion/T410/index.html

    T410 Teardown:
    http://www.thinkpads.com/2010/03/07/lenovo-thinkpad-t410-upgrading/

    Some impressions:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5773574&postcount=1

    Melted speaker caused by charging it over night:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5947126&postcount=199

    Pics of the screen:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5794689&postcount=28

    Only proof of switchable graphics so far (see attached pic - courtesy of mhs093), gone after update to Power Manager V3.12 :
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5786167&postcount=17

    Info NVS3100/5100
    http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvs_techspecs.html

    Couple of benchmarks:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5784528&postcount=39

    Drivers for the T410:
    http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/s...yind=0&operatingsystemind=49979&validate=true

    New BIOS:
    http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-74268
     

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  2. mhs093

    mhs093 Newbie

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    Here are my quick first impressions as my first Thinkpad. I'm coming from a 15" Unibody Macbook Pro.

    Overall, build quality is very good. There is a significant amount of flex in the display though, especially between the hinges. I love the keyboard and don't notice too much flex there. I also don't have the creaking in the palm rests that some mentioned. The mute and volume buttons feel cheap, but I suppose they will get the job done. The textured track pad is different. I was hesitant about the 9-cell battery size and weight, but since it was the only option for the model with discrete graphics, I ended up with it anyway. It doesn't stick out as far as I expected, and now I'm glad I got it. Overall I'm very happy.

    After I booted into Windows for the first time, the fan started to run constantly. I downloaded TPfancontrol, and it shows the cpu idling around 39-40 deg C, but the fan is whirring away at 3600rpm. I'll wait until others receive theirs to see what is going on with this.

    The switchable graphics option showed up under my Power Manager version 3.11a, but disappeared after I updated to 3.12.

    I'll get some more tests up for the discrete graphics in a bit. Here's a picture of the 9 cell battery. I don't have a T400 to compare it to, but it doesn't seem to stick out as far.

    [​IMG]
     
  3. evone

    evone Newbie

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    How much will go to the computer 9-cell battery?
     
  4. CajunCARTFan

    CajunCARTFan Notebook Evangelist

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    Is the screen on the T410 still off center like the T400?
     
  5. khtse

    khtse Notebook Consultant

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    The new Core i5/i7 CPUs runs hotter than the current generation of Core 2 Duo CPUs, basically due to the integration of memory controller and itself being a more complicated architecture.

    You can try to set the fan to trigger only at, say, 50C, using TPfancontrol. I have set my X61 fan to start at 48C at a low speed, and then increase the speed for every 3-5C increment.
     
  6. wilse

    wilse Notebook Evangelist

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    it is troubling that customers have their T410 in hand
    but lenovo has still not sent any out to professional reviewers
    it makes me worry that they have reasons to not want the T410 reviewed by professionals
     
  7. MidnightSun

    MidnightSun Emodicon Super Moderator

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    Nope, it's centered.
     
  8. rippeer

    rippeer Notebook Evangelist

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    Too true. So I take it the new t410's are not quite?
     
  9. BrokenArrow

    BrokenArrow Notebook Enthusiast

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    mhs093,
    could you please run the PerformanceTest (PassMark.com)?
    thanks in advance!

    p.s'
    what are your specs?
     
  10. trblsht

    trblsht Newbie

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    Troubling yes but how about those people who are supposed to be assisting customers with troubleshooting undergoing training for these machines 6 months after customers have had them. :D
     
  11. mhs093

    mhs093 Newbie

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    Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz FSB)
    Windows 7 Professional 64
    14.1 WXGA+ TFT, w/LED Backlight
    NVIDIA NVS 3100m Graphics 256MB DDR3 with AMT
    4GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory
    320GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
    DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer, Ultrabay Slim
    9 cell Li-Ion Battery
    Bluetooth w/antenna
    Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300
    Integrated Mobile Broadband (Gobi 2000 3G with GPS)



    CPU - Integer Math: 1137.8
    CPU - Floating Point Math: 1363.0
    CPU - Find Prime Numbers: 752.0
    CPU - SSE: 8.8
    CPU - Compression: 3487.9
    CPU - Encryption: 12.5
    CPU - Physics: 188.3
    CPU - String Sorting: 2283.6
    Graphics 2D - Solid Vectors: 5.2
    Graphics 2D - Transparent Vectors: 5.1
    Graphics 2D - Complex Vectors: 125.1
    Graphics 2D - Fonts and Text: 178.8
    Graphics 2D - Windows Interface: 51.7
    Graphics 2D - Image Filters: 314.5
    2D Graphics - Image Rendering: 577.4
    Graphics 3D - Simple: 386.1
    Graphics 3D - Medium: 125.9
    Graphics 3D - Complex: 35.3
    Graphics 3D - DirectX 10: 2.4
    Memory - Allocate Small Block: 6051.7
    Memory - Read Cached: 2672.9
    Memory - Read Uncached: 2363.0
    Memory - Write: 1490.8
    Memory - Large RAM: 1903.2
    Disk - Sequential Read: 51.0
    Disk - Sequential Write: 74.8
    Disk - Random Seek + RW: 4.1
    CPU Mark: 3191.0
    2D Graphics Mark: 631.9
    Memory Mark: 1212.2
    Disk Mark: 469.6
    3D Graphics Mark: 307.1
    PassMark Rating: 1228.0

    System information: This Computer
    CPU Manufacturer: GenuineIntel
    Number of CPU: 1
    Cores per CPU: 2
    CPU Type: Intel Core i7 M 620 @ 2.67GHz
    CPU Speed: 3314.1 MHz
    Cache size: 256KB
    O/S: Windows 7 (64-bit)
    Total RAM: 3955.7 MB.
    Available RAM: 2819.5 MB.
    Video settings: 1440x900x32
    Video driver:
    DESCRIPTION: NVIDIA NVS 3100M
    MANUFACTURER: NVIDIA
    BIOS: Version 70.18.42.0.5
    DATE: 12-3-2009
     
  12. PaAra

    PaAra Notebook Enthusiast

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    That is so disappointing. One of the reasons I want to buy this laptop is the fact that the T400 was very quiet.

    Copy paste from www.notebookcheck.net
    "The notebook (T400) is very quiet with an average of 30 dB(A) and merely the running noise of the hard disk is audible without load (idle) and with usual office applications. Unfortunately, an agitating high frequency peep tone becomes partly audible – but not in the energy savings profile, though.

    The notebook gets slightly louder with a maximum of 31.8 dB(A) under load, whereas the noise development stays within a frame."
     
  13. BrokenArrow

    BrokenArrow Notebook Enthusiast

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    comparing the discrete graphic computer vs. the integrated one, i see no REAL difference (delta of mere 50 pts.). more to it, in some of the tests the intel integrated one get higher scores.... a bit dissappointing.
     
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    jminiman Notebook Guru

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    On the discrete T410, is it possible to switch back to integrated GMA HD mode via BIOS?
     
  15. khtse

    khtse Notebook Consultant

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    The problem is the Core i5/i7 CPUs. They are hot.
     
  16. PaAra

    PaAra Notebook Enthusiast

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    But shouldn't the step from 45nm to 32nm cause the cpu to be cooler?
     
  17. brigadir

    brigadir Notebook Geek

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    according to spec i5/i7 has absolutely the same TDP = 35W as previous generation (Core 2 Duo). Moreover new chipset spends 8Watt less than previous one. So it should be cooler !
     
  18. PaAra

    PaAra Notebook Enthusiast

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    so even if they used the old thermal design it should be able to remove the heat.

    It seems like Lenovo released their product without properly testing or developing the firmware/software to go with it.

    Hopefully this is just a software issue
     
  19. BinkNR

    BinkNR Knock off all that evil

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    I’d REALLY like to hear more about this from other owners. The T400 is VERY quiet—I only hear the fan under very high load.
    Switchable graphics is a joke—I wish the graphics manufacturer’s would fix this/build graphics chips that don’t require this since, as you can see, this is nothing more than a Windows hack (and obviously difficult to do).
    It would appear the 9-cell on the T410 sticks out like the 6-cell on the T400.
     
  20. TinyRK

    TinyRK Notebook Evangelist

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    WOOT!
    Just received mine...
    Pics will follow!
     
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