Laptop Battle: ThinkPad T470s vs. ThinkPad X1 Carbon (5th generation/2017)

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  1. Charles P. Jefferies

    Charles P. Jefferies TG Lead Moderator Super Moderator

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    The Lenovo ThinkPad T470s and the ThinkPad X1 Carbon (5th generation/2017) are two of Lenovo’s premium 14-inch business notebooks. Their price points tend to be almost identical, and they’re both relatively thin and light. What we’ll look at in this article is the key areas where they differ, and why you may want to choose one over the other.

    Read the full content of this Article: http://www.notebookreview.com/feature/laptop-battle-thinkpad-t470s-vs-thinkpad-x1-carbon-5th-generation2017/
     
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    When I reviewed the X1 Carbon and T430s back in the day, I thought the thicker T430s offered the better keyboard of the two, probably due to the increased thickness allowing for more key travel. Granted the T470s and X1 Carbon of today are probably more similar, so difference may be less noticeable.
     
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    I thought the keyboard was better on the T460 than the X1 Carbon 4th gen, but this time around, I didn't feel much of a difference. I'm not sure if there even is one.

    Charles
     
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    Danilo Notebook Consultant

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    Looking at your benchmarking scores in individual reviews, it seems X1 Carbon is ever-so-slightly slower in the CPU performance department, but significantly slower in 3D Mark (713 vs 985): perhaps worth taking into consideration for users looking to drive external 4k screens or some such.

    I guess underclocking the GPU is what gives it an edge in thickness and endurance.
     
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    The performance of these notebooks with Intel 15-watt CPUs is quite variable. It's most sensitive to the CPU thermal and power profiles. The X1 Carbon probably heats up faster and isn't able to maintain its CPU clocks as aggressively as the T470. That's an educated guess.
    That shouldn't affect the notebook's ability to power external monitors, however, no matter the resolution.

    Charles
     
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    Thanks for the response, Charles. It seems you failed to really read my comment, though :)

    Non-GPU benchmarks are pretty evenly matched (one could attribute it to a measuring error), but GPU one has a pretty significant discrepancy (~35%): basically, I am making a similar (un)educated guess about why that is, except that I pinned it down to GPU part of the CPU/GPU combo. If benchmarks in your reviews are to be trusted, this will certainly affect the ability to drive a 4K screen or screens (focus was on 4K, or "more pixels", not on "external": external was just a property since neither of these come with a 4K screen). 35% performance difference is not something to sneeze at, esp. if you run multiple 4K screens (with Thunderbolt 3, you can even run two at 60Hz through a single cable).

    The way cooling is implemented in a laptop is very important for Intel ULV 15W CPUs, and you *are* comparing two different laptops, so that was the potential difference that I was highlighting. Remember, this is a comparison of two laptops, so I was trying to help point out a difference that comes out of your previous reviews. ;-)

    However, looking at notebookcheck reviews, even i5-7200u gets over 1000 in 3DMark11 Fire Strike in X1 Carbon, so I guess benchmarks on notebookreview.com are not trustworthy?
     
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    Hello, Sorry in advance for the poor language and ignorance. I would like your opinion on
    1. the FHD screen of t470s in comparison with WQHD of t470s.
    2. WQHD of t470s and FHD of x1 carbon 5 th.
    3.i5 7200U on t470s will result in acooler system?
    4.
    Intel Core i5-7200U (3 MB, 3,1 Ghz
    IPS 14,0" wqhd
    DDR4-2133 20 GB
    SSD 512 GB
    Intel HD Graphics 620
    What is a reasonable price for this system?

    5. I need to buy a laptop right away cause i had my previous stolen and i would really apreciate your prompt respone. thank you in advance.
     
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    I think it's generally accepted that the WQHD screen is better quality wise than the FHD. Unless you're bumping up to a quad core, I doubt whether it's i5 or i7 makes much of a difference. Since it's less expensive, the i5 probably offers more value. Price depends on a lot of factors, where you're located being a big factor.

    Sorry to hear about your notebook. Good luck and welcome to NBR.
     
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