Jony Ive Leaving Apple

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  1. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Apple CEO Tim Cook Isn’t Too Pleased With WSJ’s Report on Jony Ive; Calls the Story ‘Absurd’

    With Apple’s Design Chief Jony Ive having departed from the company, WSJ came out with a report implying that the company CEO Tim Cook had a different vision for the technology giant as opposed to Ive. Slamming the publication, Tim Cook responded to the WSJ, saying that the report was ‘absurd’ and details of the text didn’t match what was really going on.

    Why so upset?:D
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  2. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Great article and thanks for posting it, but as a quick note this is why I like to see a title for a link - and even a little text for context - so I know where I am about to go and spend time - this title would motivate me to click and read instead of passing it by... :)

    History Will Not Be Kind to Jony Ive
    Ive, Apple's Chief Design Officer, is leaving the company. He leaves a legacy that made its products hard to repair and impossible to upgrade.
    By Jason Koebler | Jun 27 2019, 3:13pm
    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywyjmw/history-will-not-be-kind-to-jony-ive

    "...Under Ive, Apple began gluing down batteries inside laptops and smartphones (rather than screwing them down) to shave off a fraction of a millimeter at the expense of repairability and sustainability."

    But.. Windows 10 is crap. The Windows 10 QA is crap. The Windows 10 updates are crap. The Windows 10 snooping in on our private lives is crap - and doesn't happen with MacOS X and the MacOS application environment doesn't encourage making money off of their owners as captive privacy victim's.

    And, actually except for a little paint and polish, a little too much eye candy and BS that blinks and flashes where I don't need it to blink and flash, Windows 10 is far less enjoyable than Windows XP / Windows Vista / Windows 7, and to many Windows 10 is a needless bunch of excess that no one needs or wants, and Windows 10 still is less stable due to constant updates and upgrades - putting Windows 10 in a constant state of bugginess.

    Windows 10 is awful, and I say that as I just locked down another Windows 10 install from all the snooping and updates problems, killed off a ton of background processes which were kicking on the fan's too so much it was funny.

    Now it runs quietly all the time it's idle, and of course has a lot of fan noise when gaming or otherwise putting the CPU / GPU to use. In another wave of changes to come I'll replace the start menu goofery and take to task as much of the performance sapping as I can while adding system level IP blocking - in addition to Chrome/Firefox/etc extensions for blocking and privacy.

    Neither OS's are to my liking, but Windows 10 is far worse than previous generations of Windows or MacOS X.
     
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  3. kojack

    kojack Notebook Virtuoso

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    Hmscott, I beg to differ. Windows 10 is much better than MacOS, or any previous version of windows. That being said, Now that Ive is gone, apple is free to move into the present and future. Create a macbook 2 in 1 with touch and pencil support, a true surface type device from an ipad running full macOS (touch version of course). Get rid of the thinness at the expense of longevity design culture that ive has created (wrongly I might add), and get rid of the freaking notch and farceID. Bring back touch ID and other features that were better but were removed for the sake of something "new". Time for Apple to step up now and become a force in the mobile electronics world like never before.

    I will sit back and see if Tim put Ive Wannabes in charge of design, or fresh new thinkers.
     
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  4. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    That still falls under what a person prefers. I don't have those issues with Windows 10 so i'm not saying it's perfect but I don't find the OS crap either. The same goes with my views on MacOS. Keep in mind that Windows 10 is now essentially free so it is a service OS much like Linux. So I can understand how Microsoft is now treating the Windows platform i.e. "beggars can't be choosy" and that's how it also works for the Windows 10 Insider's Program. That group can legally use Windows 10 even if they have never purchased a Windows operating system.

    My biggest beef with Windows 10 are the updates, besides that the OS for me does what I need it to and accomplishes it's purpose.
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    For those of us that can master these OS's, sure it comes down to a preference, and my preference isn't needing to worry about upgrades going bad or worrying about if the lockout's for upgrades will hold or will MS find a way around them and push through another update / upgrade when I am not looking. That's really annoying.

    For everyone else out there that has little enough computer experience to do their work and play, to be met head-on with Windows 10 issues many times a year with upgrades that might change their work or play actions - things changing to cause them to be unable to continue without figuring out what went wrong and how to back it out.

    That's not open to personal choice, especially when MS pushed hard on hardware vendors to stop supporting Windows 7 / 8.1 on new hardware.

    Windows 10 is a crap choice when it's forced on you with no alternatives and on top of that MS forces updates and upgrades unless you are savvy enough to find the ways to block them.

    I shouldn't have to worry about the things I need to worry about with Windows 10, and neither should anyone else.
     
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    Rodster Merica

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    But again the rules have changed when the OS became a service thus becoming free to anyone who owns Windows 7 on up. It's much like MacOS where it's free for anyone who owns a Mac that is still supported by Apple. The update issue can become annoying to some but for the average user it probably isn't, such as those who are running a base packaged system just to log onto the internet, do their banking, watch videos and get their email.

    The updates became a problem for some when Windows switched to a service because now instead of having a 3-4 year rollout plan, now it's become like Linux where the updates are on schedule every 6-7 months so that becomes a challenge when bugs get introduced. This is how the industry has shifted to, unfortunately. It's the same problem for Linux as well as MacOS and also Apple's iOS platforms. It's the nature of the beast because now they are trying to add new features or make things fresh while potentially breaking stuff that used to work. So because they've either changed, added or removed certain things to their code things may get a little wonky until they address those issues. Rinse and Repeat !
     
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    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Does Innovation == Ask more than 10x money for a product that really costs 1/10th of the price if mass produced! OR Maybe more salary gives rise to better innovation.
    I feel innovative product must be priced reasonably so that most people can buy w/o drilling into fine details.

    He might gift Patek Phillipe with Apple logo as a gift every week for his loved ones just for giggles. :cool:
     
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    kojack Notebook Virtuoso

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    Your definition of innovative is wrong. Innovation pushes "whatever" forward. Then, other companies make things that you innovated less expensive. That's how the world works.
     
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    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I didn't say it was my definition but way of selling innovative products. If innovative product costs 10x then it will be out of the market in a year due to poor sales.
     
  10. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Was this below one of Jony Ive's reasons for his goodbye to Apple? Apple May Be Releasing New Low-End MacBook Pro Model :vbbiggrin: He didn't like the cheap move forward.
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