Is laptops innovation dead at the moment

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  1. cooldex

    cooldex Notebook Consultant

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    I haven't heard nothing major coming to laptops in a while, there was some talk about the rtx cards, but most likely wont be to much better then the 10 series (considering desktop cards), intel newest cpu's are just refresh and nothing big on the road map. Amd is struggling to make compelling cpu and gpus on the mobile platform and seems to be the least of their worries.

    And now dell wants to make a "upgrade-able gaming laptop" no word on workstation laptops

    So am I missing something or that sums everything up, we won't see a huge leap in mobile (laptop) performance till like 5 yrs
     
  2. iunlock

    iunlock 9900K @ 5.5GHz

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    Yea it's an interesting time to be in....

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    Also check out this tweet.

    Summarizing today's Intel Client Desktop + Mobile Roadmap leak:
    - No 10nm desktop until >=2022
    - Brand new Lakes: Rocket (14nm) and Skyhawk (10nm Atom)
    - Intel's portfolio still highly dominated by 14nm through 2020 (Comet/Rocket)
    - Ice Lake in Q2, but "limited" - 10nm gfx Q3'20

    I wouldn't be surprised if Intel skips 10nm all together and just jumps to 7nm...but that won't be until later later.

    Honestly the only thing I'm really looking forward to is the Ryzen 3000 CPU's... but even that is TBD ....

    RTX MaxQ notebook cards are a total bust... a joke really with a very wrong naming scheme lol.

    With all this being said...it kinda makes me feel even better to know that the 2080Ti KingPin cards that I just bought has a lot of life to it... because there's really nothing staggering to look forward to aside to AMD's upcoming CPU's...
     
  3. specialist7

    specialist7 Notebook Evangelist

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    Well on the bright side Intel is pushing from 6 cores to 8 cores on mobile side. Just think a few years ago we were stuck on 4 cores. Not talking about laptops that can take desktop CPUs.

    Dell already has Alienware Area-51 which can take desktop CPUs so its "upgradeable" but just like mainstream desktop you're limited to your chipset. Now if it was X-series.. that would be something to see but even putting a 9900K on a laptop amazes me.. that thing is a volcano.

    AMD likes to confuse everything with Ryzen 3K on mobile being Zen+ but caps out at 4/8 atm.

    Nvidia's MaxQ is a joke but at least it pushes some tier up, not so much but now we're seeing laptops with 1660Ti (like 1070 performance) on laptops at $1K range. Turing also enables people that use laptops to game and stream to have better quality without using the CPU for encoding.

    Laptops are getting smaller and smaller, going more for a bezel-less standard. Might even get rid of my MSI GT to get something smaller seeing that I barely game when I go stateside.

    AMD is coming out with a lot of new things come this summer, hopefully it pushes more new tech from their competitors.
     
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  4. iunlock

    iunlock 9900K @ 5.5GHz

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    Great points. :)
     
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  5. TANWare

    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    Well, listening to intel we could be looking at 6-8 core mobile and MAYBE 10nm in 2021. But wait, is this them trying to stay in the game?

    10nm on desktop and server is right around the corner about to loose it to AMD and 7nm. As it is AMD has no solid mobile 7nm chip right around the corner. To me the roadmap smells of intel struggling to keep AMD at bay in the mobile segment. Remember I said there will be a lot of marketing strategies coming from the Intel camp.
     
  6. Richard Zheng

    Richard Zheng Notebook Evangelist

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    More cores isn't a good thing per say. More cores can only do so much for so long, just look at AMD FX CPUs.

    Max Q isn't important, you can safely ignore the words "max q"

    Hopefully AMD fills the intel void with 7nm chips
     
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  7. Grant B Gibson

    Grant B Gibson Notebook Deity

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    FX is a bad example IMO considering how poorly implemented multiple cores were in that arch.
    I do agree that more cores isn't always a good thing, if you can't take advantage of them they're just wasting heat/power

    MQ variants of GPU's are essentially replacing the M versions of GPUs (Maxwell previous) as they're essentially a tier below the name, a 1080MQ is a bit faster than a 1070, but no where near a desktop 1080, same goes for all others.

    I wouldn't count on AMD 7NM to be anything more than a more competitive series of CPU's to Intel lineup
     
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  8. Richard Zheng

    Richard Zheng Notebook Evangelist

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    I agree. But adding cores only gets you so far. Going from 6 to eight is a much smaller increase than from 4 to 6, but it sure runs a ton hotter.

    Max Q names don’t mean anything because Max Q variants can run faster than non max Q laptop GPUs. I dunno why they even bothered with the names in the first place. Just refer to TDP instead like “GTX 1050 TI (40W)”

    7nm might finally bring 5GHz stable on 8 cores to laptops
     
  9. AlexusR

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    I'm not sure if any "innovation" is really needed. Aside from perhaps display tech - would be nice to see an OLED with high refresh rate or even a VA display, both have a much higher contrast ratios than any IPS type of display, which is useful with any resolution and any type of content. Once you'll use these type of displays for some time - you will never want to go back ;-) I am telling this as an owner of VA display for desktop and a smartphone with OLED.
     
  10. Richard Zheng

    Richard Zheng Notebook Evangelist

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    Innovation could also occur in batteries. We have had the same tech for more than 100 years, batteries have basically remained the same for such a long time. We need a battery revolution and that would really change how we make laptops
     
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