Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (Cyclone Peak 2)/AX201 (Harrison Peak 2)/Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650

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  1. Vasudev

    Vasudev Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    So, what happened to your Netgear AX router?
    Isn't 99% of the routers set and forget mechanism?
    I usually hear my family members asking for the password (along with some sour words) every time I setup new routers or simply reinstall firmware w/ factory default settings optimised for best performance and zero security. Haha...
     
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    Decent review. My only gripes are that the reviewer thinks the A7000 should be faster just because its "external", I don't think they realize most laptop's antennas are on either side of the laptop display or in an antenna bar right under the display bezel or both, and aren't tiny by any means compared to the relatively flimsy looking adapter where both antennas so close to each other. Also the entire multi tasking with streaming, downloads and gaming at the same time seems a bit of edge case scenario, that's usually Killer's justification for the usefulness of the QoS suite, though it ironically causes more bandwidth and other issues at various times in "regular" use. Also they could have just tested transfers to USB storage rather than two lan ports to bypass the ethernet limit with two iperf instances. The RAX80 can hit over 140-150 MB/s on USB storage.
     
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  4. somebodyelse

    somebodyelse Notebook Guru

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    My HP zBook 15u G6 came with Intel AC-9560.
    Logical upgrade should be AX201 card, with CNVio2 interface, but HP website lists AX200 as other WiFi choice.
    Not sure which one I should get.
    AX200 or AX201?
     
  5. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    hm, thats a good question. maybe check and see in your machine's owner's lounge here on NBR, if anybody else has tried this upgrade?

    Sent from my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 (Oxygen) using Tapatalk
     
  6. WhatsThePoint

    WhatsThePoint Notebook Virtuoso

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    I've seen posts on the web that state an upgrade from a 9560 to an AX200 or Killer AX1650 is a drop in upgrade.
    I have an MSI GS75 that came with a 9560 as do most new MSI models that refused to recognize an AX200 or Killer AX1650 no matter what I did even with bios changes.
    Killer support was no help.
    MSI was no help.
    On the resellers sites I do see that they offer an AX upgrade from the stock 9560 but I did not solve the upgrade issue.
    My son uses the MSI GS75 up at Texas Tech so I don't have it here to try suggestions.
    The AX201 is probably the easiest upgrade path from a 9560.
    The notebook makers put in the 9560 as stock to save $$$$ and be able to advertize a lower starting price to keep up with the competition.
     
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  7. Killer_Networking

    Killer_Networking Company Representative

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    @WhatsThePoint @somebodyelse @jaybee83 First I would like to Thank you all for your messages, and second we would like to apologize if you felt we were no help to you via our support channel ( @WhatsThePoint ) . Pending on the device you have the Intel 9560NGW (Killer AC1550i if its a Killer model) are the same Module. They are part of the CNVi Technology that Intel has with certain OEM in this case MSI/HP. To replace this technology you normally have to replace it with another Wireless Module that has CNVi technology. There are some cases pending on the OEM where the Killer AX1650 (Intel AX200NGW) will work replacing a CNVi Module. In the case that it does not work then you will need to replace it with the AX201NGW (CNVi version of the AX200) to replace your AC9560NGW. I hope this helped you, and if you have further questions I would be more than happy to help. If you or anyone else reading this are having any issues with your Killer Networking Adapter, we'd like to help! You can reach out to us directly here.

    To expedite the ticket process please provide a Diagnostic along with your ticket if possible. You can download it here.

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    Thank you again for your time, and I hope this helps - Nicholas with Killer Networking

    Also, any users reading this if you are having problems, see the Killer KB!
     
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  8. WhatsThePoint

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    Thank you Nickolas with Killer Networking for your insight into the wireless card upgrade.

    The reason I'm a bit skeptical is because I see on resellers sites that do notebook customizing of models that ship with the 9560 as the stock wireless card offer an upgrade to a Killer 1550(Intel9290) and in some notebooks an upgrade from the 9560 to an AX200/Killer AX1650

    Below is a linked example of the model I have but purchased elsewhere that shows the available upgrade..

    https://www.gentechpc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MSI-GS75-Stealth-479B
     
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    The AX201 and the Killer AX1650i offload some wifi and Bluetooth components to the CPU/PCH. The Intel 9560 and Killer 1550i do likewise. In both cases, these cards require the PCH include these offloaded components. For example, 9th generation Intel platforms have the necessary features for AC wifi but lack the Wifi 6 / AX components. Thus, the use of an AX201 and AX1650i will not work on a previous generation platform and require the built-in features of an Ice Lake or Comet Lake platform.

    If you see the AX200 card as an available upgrade for a laptop that originally shipped with an Intel 9560 card, it may mean your machine will support the AX200, but it may also mean there was a hardware revision to the M.2 port. This is unlikely, but possible. Regardless, it's usually easy to check your machine's compatibility. Use HWinfo to investigate your M.2 slot currently populated by the 9560. It needs to support PCIe + USB for an AX200 to function (PCIe for the wifi 6 and USB for Bluetooth...USB should be there regardless because the 9560 similarly uses USB for Bluetooth.)

    Either way, 9th generation Intel and older platforms should definitely buy an AX200 (or the equivalent Killer AX1650x) when upgrading and NOT the AX201. For those currently on a 9560, the trade-off is that the 9560 uses the integrated networking of your CPU / PCH and the AX200 will use a PCIe lane off the PCH. For those on a 9260, the AX200 is a no compromise upgrade.
     
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  10. Steve40th

    Steve40th Notebook Consultant

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    Can you recommend the PICe to M.2 adapter and adapter cables?
    I have a Sager NP5160 I would like to upgrade to AX200.
     
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