Intel teases mystery 8th-gen processors – and confuses everybody

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  1. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

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    Intel has revealed that it plans to launch yet another series of processors this year, further muddying the waters of how this year’s CPU market will shake out – and adding a new layer of confusion to your potential 2017 laptop buying plans. Here's what we know about Intel's mystery 8th-gen processors so far.

    The juicy information was revealed during Intel’s annual investor meeting, with Intel execs teasing plenty of interesting information about where they’re expecting the company to go in the next 12 months.

    WHAT IS INTEL UP TO?
    Let’s take a step back: why does this matter to you and the laptop or PC purchase you’re thinking of making this year?

    You may have heard of “7th-gen Intel Core”, otherwise known as Kaby Lake. This is the marketing name for the latest generation of Intel Core i processors you’ll find in new PCs and laptops, and represents the followup to 6th-gen Skylake.

    This new 8th-gen chip? It's previously unknown to us and fits into a gap we didn’t know existed.

    This unnamed 8th-gen chip uses a 14-nanometre (nm) “process”. At its most basic, the smaller the process the more efficient the processor is, allowing you to squeeze more transistors onto the same-sized piece of silicon.

    Silicon is expensive, so fitting more of the ultra-important transistors onto them means you can make more efficient use of each little piece. The process of making smaller transistors is also expensive, so Intel has used this 14nm architecture for its 5th-gen Broadwell, 6th-gen Skylake and 7th-gen Kaby Lake products.

    This new product will use the same 14nm size and, like with all previous advancements, will take advantage of new technology to make the process even more efficient.

    INTEL'S STRATEGY SO FAR
    Here’s what we thought we knew about Intel’s processor road map:
    Yesterday’s announcement seems to have turned that on its head. Barring the 'X' series enthusiast updates to Skylake and Kaby Lake, we weren’t expecting another 14nm chip in 2017, so to see one suddenly appear in the second half of this year is surprising.

    Intel says the new 8th-gen chips will be 15% more powerful than Kaby Lake, which in turn it claims are 15% more powerful than Skylake. That’s a decent boost, especially when you consider many people will own PCs and laptops with much older Intel processors on board.

    So is this the Coffee Lake mentioned above? We don’t know. Coffee Lake was rumoured to be a set of six-core processors. If this announcement was indeed Coffee Lake, you’d expect the gains to be somewhat more than 15% versus Kaby Lake.

    It also isn't "Cannonlake", because that architecture is based on a 10nm process while this new mystery one is, as we mentioned, still 14nm.

    Frankly, and we’re sure you’ll agree, this is all getting a bit ridiculous as – among other things – Intel has thrown a massive spanner in the works for people waiting for AMD’s hotly anticipated Ryzen architecture.

    How will it all stack up in the end? We just don’t know, but keep your eyes and ears open for more 8th-gen Intel news in the near future. If you're buying a new laptop or PC in the second half of this year, be sure to bookmark this page as we'll be adding all the details as we get them.

    We've reached out to Intel for clarification on its strategy and will update this piece if the company responds.


    Source at: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-8th-gen-core-specs-technology-explained
     
  2. Galm

    Galm "Stand By, We're Analyzing The Situation!"

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    For anyone reading note that while Kaby Lake is technically an improvement over Skylake it's only because it is clocked higher. If you don't need super maximum overclocking, a 6700k performs identical to a 7700k at the same clockspeed. So I would honestly recommend Skylake over Kaby Lake for most gamers since it runs cooler and is within a few percent of performance.

    This new 8th gen of cpus should finally be an actual architecture change, which would mean real IPC improvements.

    However, I'm skeptical of some of these timeline plans, it seems like a lot to release this year (Skylake and Kaby Lake extreme??). It also makes no sense to me that they would jump back up to 14nm. That seems unprecedented to me though I could be wrong.

    @D2 Ultima what do you know of Intel's plans?
     
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    Here's what I find very telling about their update.
    When a companies talks about going 10nm and then goes back to 14nm means they have some technology glitches they can't overcome and must revert back to 14nm as oppose to going 10nm as their "late 2017" claims make it out to be or alot of bluster against Ryzen coming out. If they were going smaller would stand to reason they would stay at 10nm Coffee Lake not go back 14nm. Such reverse move gives more insight then it shows. They can't do 10nm as they like to say they can and or they are doing this to stay off AMD Ryzen from raining on their market share. So this is all gimmick and not any real "Tech" leap as they want to make it. I call this "VaporWare".......

    You don't go backwards if your going forward in "Tech" upgrade. If Ryzen does as what AMD says it can do that will take a bite from iNtel and I myself will take a 2nd look at AMD again and avoid the price "HIKE" of iNtel - that is what iNtel is afraid of most being at the Top of the Hill for so long now someone will take it from them and be less expensive and affordable.
     
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    Vistar Shook Notebook Deity

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  5. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    I don't know what all the fuss is about in this thread?

    I don't buy or make a business decision on what may or may not come out (and on what it may offer, performance-wise, at that time). I buy real, available products (only) that are actually better than what I have (now).

    I can also easily see that Coffee Lake in 2018 at 14nm could be classified as '8th gen'... Any processor of the same gen I've bought at a later date is almost always better (more efficient, less heat, etc.) than any first release model I've compared them to.

    The insight here is not that Intel has stagnated (or not; time will tell of course).

    The only thing happening here is big business doing as little as it can to retain current customers while also impeding competitor's sales at the same time. Yawn. BAU.

    Sure it is (trying) to throw a spanner unto AMD's Ryzen parade. Would be more suspicious if it didn't.

    The actual nm process used (or other theoretical musings...) isn't what is important to me; actual performance increases (i.e. productivity) for my workflows is.

    Nice read (thank you Dr. AMK), but this is filed into the 'read and forget' part of my brain.

    When the 8th gen products actually come out (and with an indicated ~20% increase over Skylake...) that's when things will get real. :)
     
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    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    I am sure Ryzen has struck more than a few nerves over in the Intel camp. In the end this is good for us but inevitably this brings back the old vaporware tricks. As mentioned before you can only buy what is available.
     
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    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    I hope it has! :)

    (Bold mine in quote below).

    btw; BAU=Business As Usual in my post above.

     
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  8. D2 Ultima

    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    Nothing. There is a convoluted mess of "lakes" as BGAtel confuses itself and the whole world. Nobody knows what's next or after and this article is straight proof. So far I have heard of:
    Tiger lake
    Cannon Lake
    Coffee Lake
    Ice Lake

    with Tiger Lake and Cannon Lake being known about since Broadwell's launch... since then it has gone from Sky --> Cannon to Sky --> Kaby --> (mystery) --> Coffee --> Cannon? --> Tiger/Ice/Unknown?

    No sense beating up about it, and won't get me to recommend them after about a month when Ryzen stabilizes and Ryzen 5 is all any average gamer will need and Ryzen 7 1700 is all any average productivity/prosumer user will need (1700 OCs just as far, supports just as fast RAM, has the same BIOS OC to 4GHz, and same specs other than clockspeed out the box, but costs $170 less than, the 1800X).


    It's for people speculating upcoming stuff, as tech lovers and budding enthusiasts often do.

    I understand your practical approach and in this example I do agree, though still would say this kind of thread is just "not for you" rather than "pointless".

    Sent from my OnePlus 1 using a coconut
     
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    You may be right that the guessing/speculating part is not for me. :)

    But I think I provide a good counterpoint, if nothing else with my practical view of things, no? lol...

    And it's definitely not pointless; each time I have time to read the forums I'm interested in I always expand my viewpoint just a little more. :)




    btw, how many MHz does your coconut run at? :D:D:D

     
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    D2 Ultima Livestreaming Master

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    Not even one. It runs on rum, beach limes (parties), and doubles.

    Like the rest of the country xD
     
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