Intel silently launches 10NM/Cannon Lake cpus

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    Compared with 8130U... same 15W limit... same 2.2ghz base clock... similar 3.2ghz single core turbo... no/disabled iGPU... certainly stacks up with all the info so far about troubles on 10nm, maybe that's why its a silent launch... no better than the refined 14nm++
     
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    Wait what, no integrated graphics? That's very unusual for Intel. IIRC most i3/i5/i7 processors have one except the "enthusiast" chips.

    True, Intel's GPUs are trash, but at least it gives you image without resorting to a dGPU solution. Not to be rude or pessimistic, but not having iGPU on a 2c4t mobile processor just isn't gonna work well.
     
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    It's on die, simply disabled. Intel already listed a version with the GPU. I'm guessing availability or cost are such that the "2+0" configuration warrants buying what is likely a very cheap AMD GPU and selling it that way.
     
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    I got quite the different impression, to me it looks like intel is still ahead of its competition (in hpc but please keep in mind i have very bad english so it could very well be the opposite). For comparison the best non x86 hpc cpus in the world and their manufacturing process
    PEZY-SC2 2048 cores/ 16,384 threads @1ghz tsmc 16nm 180watt tdp
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/pezy/pezy-scx/pezy-sc2
    IBM z14 10 cores/ 20 threads @ 5,2 ghz GlobalFoundries 14HP Process
    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/ibm/microarchitectures/z14
    What i get from this is that there is no chipmanufacturer in the world right now that can produce mass 10nm and below chips that acutally can out performe theyre 14nm chips(in quality so they reach higher frequency sorry bad english) since tsmc produces @ 10nm at mass since late 2015 and they use those chips only for mobile soc s where all benchmarks and performance claims should be taken with a huge grain of salt(even premium 1000$ smartphone today cant run gta3 s native arm port lagfree...).
    So technicly intel is the first chip manufacturer to release a 10nm chip that will be benched and compared to the competition performance wise,
    the Qualcomm Falkor shouldnt be counted since there is no spec int/spec float benchmark of the cpu up to this day.
    But youre absolutly right, 10nm quality chips in mass seem to be pretty hard to archieve.
     
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    But why did Intel bother to make a version with iGPU disabled? And no higher end parts yet?

    Usually Intel releases a wide range of processors in the same generation at once (e.g. i3-8100 to i7-8700K), not this time. Is the yield so bad they end up having a lot of chips with defective cores and/or iGPU, so they couldn't get enough chips to release processors with more cores?

    There's another problem, a 15W laptop CPU paired with a 35W dGPU but can't run in hybrid graphics mode, seems odd to me. Not only it's inefficient in terms of power, but also having worse battery life and higher temperature than not having a dGPU. Apart from that, many potential buyers of such machine probably won't need a dGPU anyway. Or maybe Intel is trying to compete with Ryzen mobile APU with this ghetto solution?
     
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    Yeah, that's why my guess was the AMD dGPU was really, really cheap (since the performance of this low end SKU is going to relegate it to low end laptops). It's probably well known Intel 10nm yields have been really low, which is likely the rationale behind launching this configuration.

    That being said, they did the same thing for 14nm ramp up. All mobile parts, no desktop parts. Started with a tiny, >5W dual core, and launched the rest of the mobile chips (about 4 months later, iirc). Technically speaking, the desktop did later get two SKUs. AFAIK, they were the only socketed desktop processors Intel have launched with the Iris Pro eDRAM GPU


    What really piques my interest is the "M/Y" variant TDP went up from 4.5W to 5.2W. I wonder if this means Intel has gone back to integrated voltage regulators (which probably make more sense on laptops). FIVRs were not good for extreme desktop overclocking, of course, but laptops don't have to worry as much about that.
     
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    Intel's first 10nm Cannon Lake processor debuts after years of delays
    But don't get too excited just yet

    Carly Page, @CarlyPage_ , 18 May 2018
    https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...n-lake-processor-debuts-after-years-of-delays

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    Intel's first 10nm Cannon Lake processor debuts after years of delays

    "Chip maker Intel's long-delayed 10nm Cannon Lake processors have finally made an official appearance, in the, er, mid-range Lenovo IdeaPad 330.

    Intel's first 10nm silicon was originally slated for release in late 2016, but technical challenges encountered in shrinking transistors to ever smaller scales led to the launch being delayed until 2017. In its latest Q1 earnings report, the firm confessed that the company was pushing back volume production from the second half of 2018 to some point in 2019 after suffering "yield issues".

    The firm's first 10nm chip, the Core i3-8121U was first spotted by AnandTech in Lenovo Ideapad 330 laptops at Chinese retailers, and Intel has since published details about the processor on its ARK catalogue.

    This listing confirms that the Core i3-8121U a Cannon Lake 10nm process chip, while the use of "i3" and "8" in the name confirms it's a low-specification, 8th-generation chip (just like Intel's Kaby Lake-R, Kaby Lake-G, and Coffee Lake processors), destined for use in mid-range notebook devices.

    The i3-821U's specs add further weight to this. It's a dual-core processor with four threads, a base clock speed of 2.2GHz, (rising to 3.2GHz under Turbo Boost), 4MB of cache, a TDP of 15W, and support for up to 32GB memory.

    The Cannon Lake chip also supports two new kinds of memory: LPDDR4 and LPDDR4X, both low-power variants of DDR4.

    Intel's listing doesn't include a description of the chip's integrated graphics, suggesting that, er, there aren't any. Lenovo's Ideapad 330 for China, the first device to come powered by the entry-level CPU, is listed to include a discrete AMD graphics chip.

    While the i3-8121U isn't the most exciting of chips, Intel will no doubt be relieved that it's finally got a 10nm product to market after years of delays.

    Still, the firm remains a long way behind its rivals. AMD has already confirmed that it plans to run its second and third generation Zen architecture x86 microprocessors on 7nm, while TSMC has already started production of its first 7nm silicon."
     
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