Intel kills off the 10nm process

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  1. tilleroftheearth

    tilleroftheearth Wisdom listens quietly...

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    You can repeat yourself ad nauseam, doesn't negate what I originally stated. Roadmaps mean squat as everyone knows from both Intel, AMD, MS and any other corporation you care to mention. Waste of my time to even begin to guess where the money will move to next.

    I'm sticking to reality, you can stick to your theories and dance moves each time the ball is in the other court. ;)

     
  2. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Intel Qualifying 10nm Ice Lake CPUs, Expects First Full-Year Revenue Decrease In Three Years | April 25, 2019
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-lake-cpus-z390.811225/page-149#post-10901920
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Dude, you are a known intel shill which has projects solely dependent on high single threaded core count. You pushed hardware acceleration without realizing that Adobe, in that same update, at least from some people I know, said they gimped the performance on their 7980XE with that update. Adobe is NOT aging well compared to their competitors, which have invested in parallelizing the work done by their engine to get more performance.

    Now, there are still questions surrounding Ryzen's next release. If they did match the 9900K stock for stock with their 65W 8-core chip, then there is reason to believe Intel will be matched this round, maybe keeping the single thread crown due to overclocking ability, while losing all multi-threaded workloads, the power requirements, the core density, etc.

    AMD is expected to overshoot Intel's current IPC on the 9900K. If they cannot reach a high enough frequency, then it won't beat the single thread performance though. Intel is set to take the IPC crown back with Sunny Cove. Problem is, if the roadmap is to be believed, the Ice Lake with Sunny Cove will run lower frequencies and only be mobile, while Comet Lake doesn't arrive until next year, potentially (at least for commercial use, as the SIP was presented to Dell in a closed presentation leaked, and commercial OEM builds can lag consumer releases for Intel by a couple quarters, meaning that the 10-core Comet lake may reach consumers in Q4, or make a CES appearance).

    As such, you keep talking, but your predictions and comments are aging less well as you speak. Maybe look up at which ways the winds blow.
     
  4. TANWare

    TANWare Just This Side of Senile, I think. Super Moderator

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    Just one question, if you do not care then why the comments? Just let the performance in the end speak for itself. I think most, can make from the information available out there, a good guess what that will be in the near future.
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    At least 2 more years until Intel releases 7nm, in 2021... before Intel's 10nm Desktop CPU's in 2022?, and Intel may still be on 14nm through the 7nm / 10nm-Desktop launches, and beyond...

    AMD is leaving Intel in the dust on die size, with no 7nm Intel chips until 2021
    By Jonathan Terrasi — Posted on July 19, 2019 10:52AM PST
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/inel-delays-7nm-die-size-shrink-to-2021/

    "At Aspen, Colorado’s Brainstorm Tech 2019 conference this week, Intel CEO Bob Swan shed some light on the future of Intel’s fabrication process by remarking that Intel is planning on beginning production on a 7nm die for its processors in 2021.

    The revelation follows only two months after the company’s Computex 2019 announcement of its first 10nm processors, the Ice Lake line, left many observers wondering when the CPU giant would catch up to its nimbler rival AMD, which showed off 7nm processors the day before.

    Not only is Intel just reaching 10nm manufacturing as AMD rolls out 7nm chips, but the Ice Lake chips Intel showed off are not intended for desktops, but exclusively for mobile or versatile 2-in-1 devices.

    This admission of Intel’s shortcomings makes for a welcome sign for AMD, validating their aggressive strategy of die shrinks and price undercutting.

    Beyond AMD’s flashy Computex 2019 launch for its 7nm Ryzen 3000 CPUs, the manufacturer also has a threadripper waiting in the wings that Intel has no plans of contending with.

    Confidence is running so high over at AMD that they are also taking the GPU fight to Nvidia in a big way. Earlier this week, a high-level AMD executive boasted about duping Nvidia into setting less-than-competitive prices against AMD’s Ryzen RX 5700.

    Intel’s woes don’t end with AMD’s lead on die size, either. If Microsoft goes forward with its rumored switch to Qualcomm, Intel will suddenly lose out on a massive opportunity to supply the highest-selling device in the tablet product category..."

    A Look Inside Intel with CEO Robert Swan
    Fortune Magazine
    Published on Jul 16, 2019
    He’s been at the helm since January 2019.


    Intel’s New CEO Blames Years-Long Chip Delay on Being Too ‘Aggressive’
    By Aaron Pressman, July 16, 2019
    https://fortune.com/2019/07/16/intel-ceo-bob-swan/
     
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  6. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Actually 10nm Ice Lake looked pretty dismal in these PC World review results - except for some tests that used some new pumped up instructions to support encryption and encode / decode, otherwise the Ice Lake 10nm tiny U CPU's performed like Whiskey Lake:

    Intel 10th gen Ice Lake performance preview
    PCWorld
    Published on Aug 1, 2019
    Should you wait to buy a laptop right now? Gordon gives us a sneak peak and Intel's 10th gen Ice Lake performance numbers in benchmarks and gaming.


    I moved the 10nm discussion here from the Ryzen thread... *Ryzen Thread*... or we could move this to the Ryzen vs Intel thread too.

    And, that these wimpy will o' the wisp phantom 10nm CPU's are 15w / 25w 2in1's that can't possibly be considered the "next generation" Intel 10nm CPU's.

    The only thing that brings up scores with these 10nm wannabe CPU's is the iGPU and new AVX instructions.
     
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  7. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    We may never see 10nm desktop CPU's as Intel wants to jump directly to 7nm - so 10nm was indeed "killed off", except for the "keep busy" 10nm low power CPU's that Intel has scratched together 2 times now:

    Intel 10th-gen Ice Lake CPUs: Everything we know so far
    10th-gen Intel laptops have arrived, but desktop processors are still far off [if ever]
    By Jon Martindale — Posted on August 1, 2019 10:00AM PST
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-ice-lake-cpu-everything-you-need-to-know/

    "...The desktop chips, however, won’t arrive until later. PC Builders Club initially claimed that we won’t see Ice Lake hit desktops until 2021. A leaked Intel roadmap also suggested we might not see 10nm on desktop until 2022, but it might be that Intel doesn’t bother with 10nm on desktop at all.

    The latest news from Intel CEO Bob Swann, was that Intel would begin production on 7nm chips in 2021, potentially for a 2022 release.

    Speculation on pricing for such fabled chips would be nothing but that, and with little of anything concrete to go on about core counts, clock speeds, or release dates for desktop parts, we can’t really suggest what any future Ice Lake desktop chips might cost. If they ever appear at all."

    I will be looking for Ice Lake vulnerability reports as well:

    "...
    SPECTRE AND MELTDOWN
    Ice Lake’s architecture, Sunny Cove, will have hardware fixes for the Spectre and Meltdown architectural flaws that caused so much consternation among hardware manufacturers and software developers over the past year. So far we’ve seen microcode fixes for many of the most affected, recent-generation chips, and some of Intel’s ninth-generation chips implemented hardware fixes for specific instances of these exploits.

    Intel has confirmed, however, that Ice Lake will go well beyond that, potentially representing the first CPU generation from Intel to mitigate major Spectre variants at the silicon level. That may also mean some of the performance-impacting stop-gap solutions protecting users against these exploits will not be present, although most think it unlikely that Ice Lake will be able to halt all the potential exploit paths."
     
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  8. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Intel's disastrous failure plagued 10nm just won't die, still sucking money and resources from Intel but not delivering any returns... only costs.

    The State of Intel's 10nm
    AdoredTV
    Published on Aug 16, 2019
    An analysis of Intel's ongoing 10nm problems.
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Intel keeps generating chaos in it's lineup...14nm is the new 10nm, when 10nm isn't good enough. :)

    It Just Got WORSE For Intel 10th Gen - Comet Lake Arrives
    HardwareCanucks
    Published on Aug 21, 2019
    Welcome to the Intel 10th Gen processor lineup confusion Round 2! They're now launching Comet Lake, a lineup of processors based on an old 14nm architecture that's being marketed as 10th Gen and it uses the 10-series names. Not only that but its actually BETTER than Ice Lake [10nm] in many ways...wait, what? Let's jump in!
     
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    Good Rumors Never Die - unlike the long rumored 10nm Desktop CPU's from Intel...

    Intel is finally giving up on 10nm for Desktop / Server(?) for good? With Intel shifting it's weight behind 7nm, double or nothing!! ;)

    Rumor suggests Intel are scrapping 10nm desktop CPUs
    James Dawson 1 day ago CPU, Featured Tech News, Tech News
    https://www.kitguru.net/components/...ggests-intel-are-scrapping-10nm-desktop-cpus/

    Rumours coming from inside Intel are suggesting the company is about to scrap plans for 10nm production of desktop CPUs to concentrate on a 7nm node for this market instead.

    "According to some exclusive information from the team at hardwareLUXX, Intel is planning to scrap all plans for 10nm CPUs in the desktop market and focus on introducing a 7nm node in this area. However, it is thought that the 7nm desktop CPU will not arrive until two years’ time.

    Originally reported in German, it seems the information coming from hardwareLUXX is that the transition from 14nm to 10nm for Intel desktop CPU’s has been too problematic for the company to pursue, although Intel will continue with 10nm mobile CPUs in the upcoming Ice Lake series.

    Additionally, it is claimed that Intel cannot achieve the desired clock frequency they require for Ice Lake desktop CPUs on the 10nm node, plus the volume of 10nm manufacture is significantly lower than 14nm, so Intel would not be likely to fulfil its supply demands. The fact no engineering sample of Ice Lake-S or Tiger Lake-S CPUs have been seen yet, further cements this rumour according to hardwareLUXX.

    If the information from the hardwareLUXX source turns out to be correct, it will mean all 10nm desktop CPUs planned by Intel have been scrapped and according to inside information, Intel will release 7nm desktop CPUs in 2022, leaving AMD with its own 7nm CPUs until then.

    Production of 10nm Xeon CPUs is still on course to stay on the Intel 10nm roadmap – since Xeon relies more on core/thread count rather than clock frequency, the issues seen with 10nm desktop clock frequency won’t be as much of a problem from Xeon."

    KitGuru says: Could Intel have officially conceded in its chase for 10nm desktop processors?

    Insider rumors: Intel completely eliminates 10-nm plans for the desktop
    Published on: Monday, October 14, 2019 at 15:00 by Andreas Schilling
    https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...t-10-nm-plaene-fuer-den-desktop-komplett.html
     
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