Intel CPUs + AMD Graphics + HBM2 because of EMIB...

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  1. ThePerfectStorm

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    I think this is for the next 15" MBP and since Apple is a big customer for AMD they were able to put aside their rivalry with Intel and create this, even if it meant Intel got money from it as well.

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  2. tilleroftheearth

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    'Friendship' and 'Rivalry' is all in our heads (our=consumers). There is only business/$$$$$$$$ between corporations the size of Intel and AMD. And I see this as Intel lending AMD a hand here; not the other way around.

    (AMD needs this boost to their bottom line more than Intel does).

    Even if the fruity company puts this into their notebook, others will have this option too from Intel...

    See:
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1200...with-amd-radeon-graphics-with-hbm2-using-emib
     
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    Interesting info there. I would like to see a ThinkPad T480/T480p with one of these at its heart. That would be a very solid product, if cooled well.

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    And... it's official:

    See:
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/1201...ete-gpus-hires-raja-koduri-as-chief-architect


    Yeah; I saw that coming.



    ...
    Intel may have had to change it's cadence on how often it served up new products to it's customers, but so far, they are delivering on the things they've promised (well; most of the things they've promised).

    In 2009, Intel stated that their processors needed an SSD to show how much work they can perform and that that will become increasingly important going forward. In 2017 they gave us a hint of what Optane (Memory and SSD's) can do for our workloads with current systems. In 2018, we have been promised (or 'teased') with Optane Dimms that will further distance todays platforms with ones that are probably in development and/or near ready right now.

    I wonder how loud the people who laughed at Intel's first igpu attempt will be laughing soon? For myself; I've always preferred an igpu 'only' system - at least on the mobile side - for many reasons related to portability, battery life, etc. But I can begin to see what an integrated igpu - with intel's guidance and Raja's assistance - might bring to not only mobile, but also desktop platforms in a few short years. Possibly without needing a 75W, let alone a 750W, power supply and/or GPU TDP rating to do so. :)

    EMIB is allowing this to happen - and Intel certainly didn't whip this up yesterday. This is part of their long term plans that they sparingly share with us on a need to know basis.

    This is also further proof that the 'glued together' statement Intel made internally about their competitor wasn't a jab - it was simply a statement that happens to be true. This is clear as day to me.

    It also makes AMD's process not so revolutionary after all. This is just a logical progression from building big/huge monolithic chips for a profit (for all - including the consumers). Both big chip companies found and executed on that almost simultaneously - they both realized that monolithic chip manufacturing or further performance gains had effectively ended; so, they moved on.

    Now, I actually wonder if Raja was 'allowed' to stay with AMD until Intel actually needed him? :)

    See:
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/6907/the-king-is-back-raja-koduri-leaves-apple-returns-to-amd


    When he left Apple in 2013, the fruity company lost big time. Now he's left AMD twice - but can he still conjure up the magic like he has for all the big players he's worked for?

    I think Intel and Raja will both do fine. After all; they did snag the gpu King. :)
     
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  5. Arondel

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  6. tilleroftheearth

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    I have a feeling that Larrabee may be resurrected. If not fully, at least more developed than where it was left to 'die by dust' on the shelves...

    Or not. :)

    One thing I do know though: nothing learned is forgotten (totally). I'm sure Intel has a few things to teach the 'King' too about how it envisions incorporating 'big' gpu's into it's core (sic) business. ;)

     
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    See:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-loses-raja-kofuri-to-intel,35885.html
    [​IMG]

    Yeah; C&VC Group represents the last piece in a much larger puzzle for Intel.

    Thinking of the products Intel is 'looking into' at any one time is mind boggling. As is the scale of their commitments (because they have to...).

    With Xpoint Dimms, new process nodes, gpu pursuits and who knows what else we'll see/hear about in the near future, Intel is winding up to hit not just for the fence - but well beyond.

    Would Intel have sat on these possible advancements had it not been for AMD? Possibly.

    But considering the sheer size of Intel and the number of people it employs (directly and indirectly) I fail to see how they could. At least not without being found out.

    Okay, quick! Does anyone know when 'due time' is? :D:D:D
     
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    So EMIB with Vega on Intel was a experiment to hire Raja Koduri. Now, he works at Intel tasking AMD GPU to step up their game.
     
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    Everything is an 'experiment'. :)

    But I don't think at this point EMIB is (anymore). This is the foreseeable future as we always want more and more powerful/capable/efficient platforms ad infinitum. At least until the next breakthrough in chip processes...

    They simply hired Raja because he was the best available today - with 'today' being when all the other pieces have fallen into place and they can utilize him to the max. A happy coincidence if you will. But like I suggested previously; I wouldn't be surprised if he was allowed to finish his part on Vega for AMD and have a 40 day sabbatical too before he was pushed into the rat race again.

    From my perspective; Intel hardly needs to 'step up their game', though I won't be against any improvements this collaboration, or any others, offer. But for Intel; it is a big piece of the big picture that is focused on datacentre specific products. I'm positive though that whatever the tech used there will sooner or later trickle down to us mere mortals too.

    When you've been working out for a few decades, going to the gym to 'tone up' a little isn't an option. You need to make a visible difference to impress anyone (least of all; yourself). With Intel being the giant it is today; the huge/broad movements they need to do is just 'survival' - even if it seems otherwise to some (critics).

     
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    See:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-optane-dimms-timing-2018,35928.html

    Optane Dimm's may possibly use EMIB. Either way, I want to see how Adobe Acrobat, LR and PS handle on a near future many core, OD enabled platform with 8TB or more or 'RAM' available. :)

    Another baby step for computing which will bring about drastic changes to the computing landscape as we know it today.
     
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