Intel Core i9-9900k 8c/16t, i7-9700K 8c/8t, i7-9600k 6c/6t 2nd Gen Coffee Lake CPU's + Z390

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  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The $500 Memory Stick: ZADAK 32GB Double Capacity Overclocking
    Gamers Nexus
    Published on Apr 18, 2019
    These 2x 32GB 3200MHz RAM sticks cost about $1000 total, but they have very few use cases. Today, we're testing them to see if they're ever worth it. Article: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/34...
    ZADAK and GSkill are the only two memory module manufacturers who presently "double-capacity" DIMMs, following the ASUS DC DIMM standard designed last year. Samsung makes the actual memory, and overclocking support is overall reasonable. The challenge is that this double-capacity memory treats each stick as a set of two, limiting motherboard selection to only those that opt for 1DPC (DIMM per channel) slot arrangements. Examples would be the ASUS Apex, ASUS Gene, and ASUS Z390-I Strix Gaming motherboards.

    G.Skill Unveils 32 GB Trident Z RGB DC DDR4: Double Height, Double Capacity Memory
    by Anton Shilov on October 11, 2018 11:00 AM EST
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13458/gskill-unveils-32-gb-trident-z-double-size-ddr4-dimms
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    i9 9900k UHD 630 vs Ryzen 3 2200G VEGA 8 Test in 7 Games
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    Intel Core i9 9900k vs AMD Ryzen 3 2200g in 7 Games
    Project Cars 2
    Metro Exodus - 01:12
    Assassin's Creed Odyssey - 02:31
    Battlefield 5 - 03:45
    Grand Theft Auto V - 05:55
    Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 07:42
    The Witcher 3 - 09:06

    System:
    Windows 10 Pro
    AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5Ghz
    Gigabyte GA-AB350N
    Intel i9 9900k 3.6Ghz
    Asus ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming
    16Gb RAM 3200Mhz
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    The 16-core is not excessive, if you can use them. Say the games are optimized for 8-core, then the other 8 can encode. NVENC still only has a certain level of quality and doesn't match doing CPU encode at medium. Intel's QuickSync is the same story.

    So, a couple points:

    1) Ryzen 3000/Zen 2 CPUs will have UMA, not NUMA, but will still need a scheduler to be aware of core distribution on 2 dies for the 12 and 16 core chips. But the memory architecture will only have unified regardless of the chip on the lineup. What you are asking for is an Intel dual-ring bus 16-core. AMD likely would not build a 16-core single die chip due to the current yields for manufacturing such a chip rising cost. In fact, although the 16-core variant using an active interposer to get a 64 core chiplet CPU did perform better than the 8-core chiplet, using an active interposer produced on 32nm or 22nm is around the same cost as a monolithic die, but with really good latency.

    2) The 12 core is coming. The 16 core is the one they fear cannibalizing threadripper stock, at least until the new chips drop. That is likely why the 1950X is now on sale at Newegg for around $520, same as the 9900K, that way they can clear inventory, which they will also need to do with the 2950X (which is only $850). As such, even though it doesn't have the quad channel memory or the 64 PCIe lanes that TR has, it would perform just fine at things like Adobe Premiere, etc. The 1900X you can pick up for around $300, which makes it a great buy if building a firewall/NAS that can handle a huge amount of work (medium sized business type hardware).

    Now that is a good point on the Intel socket, but unfortunately that is a matter of having a BIOS guru adding support. Then again, below a certain level of board, evidently you will not be able to use it with the new AM4 CPUs. So....
     
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    t456 1977-09-05, 12:56:00 UTC Moderator

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    This topic is meant for the 2nd generation Coffee Lake cpu's. Moved the 10nm and 7nm debate to a new thread:
    Intel's upcoming 10nm and beyond

    If anyone has a better suggestion for the title then please use the 'report' function. A few posts were lost in the process, unfortunately. My sincere apologies about that; I was dual tasking, which is not something you want to be doing at the end of the day.
     
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    Time for an upgrade from 2600K then if:
    • you game above 60fps.
    • do something computationally intensive with your CPU
    • need more storage performance from things like NVMe SSD's: video & photo editing mainly.
    Stay with 2600K if:
    • you game at 60fps.
    • you just do normal consumer stuff like internet browsing, office applications
    Sandy Bridge was truly iconic as a CPU though, my Dad's got a Sandy Bridge Dual Core Hyper Threaded Dell Inspiron 17 laptop (bought in 2011) which I modified by putting in an SSD in back in 2012 (wasn't an option to include from the factory), and that's still perfectly fine for internet & office, on the latest Windows 10. (8GB RAM)
     
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    indeed! my gf's laptop is also a 2011 model, dell vostro 3350 to be exact. upgraded it from a dual to a sandy bridge quadcore 2760qm, 850 evo ssd with 500 gb, 8GB 2133 mhz ram and intel 7260 wifi.

    next upgrade cycle coming up soon: new high capacity battery, intel 200ax wifi (with m.2 to mpcie adapter), samsung 850 pro 1tb, 16 gb 2133 mhz ram and maaaaaybe a 2960xm cpu, but not sure yet on the last item hahaha. also plan to install win10 enterprise ltsc 2019 for her, should be easier with the longer upgrade cycles.

    should be running strong for quite a while longer :)

    don't u guys just love upgradeable laptops? ;)

    PS: oh almost forgot! when her mobo gave out i also upgraded her gpu from the intel igpu to a dedicated amd gpu on the mobo :)

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    Cool initial upgrades for sure, but not sure if your latest planned upgrades for her laptop are going to be that meaningful - is it worth doing for the extra cost (and little extra performance) and seeing as it's already an old laptop?
     
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    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    well she would like it to last another 2 years at least. the 850 pro i already have, so its just a swap for her current 850 evo 500 gb (gonna use that as my secondary drive next to the 970 pro). the wifi adapter doesnt cost much and the ram is at a longtime low currently, around 100€ for 16gb 2133 mhz kingston hyperx sticks. she can offset that by selling off her current 2x4gb sticks. so that only leaves the new battery :)

    all in all, definitely cheaper and much more fun for me than just buying a new laptop haha ;)

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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Is her laptop heatsink rated for a quad core? If it is not, you could have to clock the 4 core down considerably, which means the 2960XM would be a waste in that machine, especially for the cost. I have a 2760QM laying around the house in a box somewhere from when I put a 2960XM in the old P170HM. The cooling in that machine barely allows for it to really stretch the 2960XM's legs, so to speak (excluding use of AC cooling). So please keep that in mind before making the purchase.
     
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