Intel Core i7-9750H/ i7-9850H/ i9-9880H/ i9-9980HK(Intel's 9th Gen H-Mobile)

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  1. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox Undefiled BGA-Hating Elitist

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    I bet that my $1499 Tongfang MECH-15G2Rx turdbook with 9750H and 2060 without soldered RAM and WiFi will stomp the snot out of that overpriced AW M15 turdbook ($2100 with same specs) without power limit and thermal throttling problems. We shall see in another week or two, after it arrives and I have time to brutalize it a bit. If you forgive the fact that 9750H is locked down and soldered crap, there is no legitimate excuse for it running 100°C. That's just stupid and evidence of engineering incompetence.
     
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  2. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    Wait, brother, why are you buying a bga turdbook? :) Did I miss something?
     
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  3. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox Undefiled BGA-Hating Elitist

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    That's a great question, Brother @Falkentyne, and it is appropriate that you would ask. It wasn't because I stopped hating BGA. I still think BGA filth sucks by design, even if it somehow managed to magically work flawlessly and performed magnificently.

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    Left me with more money to spend on something important. Laptops are low on my list of priorities now. They all suck, so the priority is keeping it cheap. My desktop is the PC that actually matters to me.

    Laptop criteria for 2019 and beyond...
    • Not a Dell
    • Plays games OK
    • Costs $1500 or less
    • Don't pretend it's a "DTR"
    • Don't expect too much from it
    • Be surprised if it isn't disappointing
    The people that manufacture laptops don't care anymore, so neither should we... perma-trash. They are all poorly engineered in one or more ways. They all run too hot. They all have throttling problems. They all ship with cancer firmware. They are all slopped together in a haphazard manner. They are all severely overpriced. They all require some level of end-user intervention to correct manufacturing defects and/or assembly flaws.

    So, I settled for the option that seems to offer the best bang for the buck. Brothers @B0B and @OWNORDISOWN have shown which option that is. It was less than half what I would have paid for a Clevo with specs I would actually be proud of, but the Clevo wouldn't deliver twice the performance to match the price. The Area 51M is a joke no matter how you slice it. The economy of scale is tilted heavily in favor of the MECH-15G2Rx. The entire system was about the same price as only the GPU or the CPU installed in my desktop, and similar to the price of a replacement Clevo RTX 2080 MXM GPU.

    YouTube video will follow in a few weeks, after I get a few irons out of the fire.
     
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  4. TheCodeBreaker

    TheCodeBreaker 7H3 1337

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    haha, personally hate those BGA laptops. I dont know what Alienware is thinking lol. I was checking out that laptop not too long ago (MECH-15G2Rx) and personally you can't say no to a good deal lol.
    I placed an ordered a few days ago for a G3 with a 1660Ti, 512 SSD, 8GB, 1080p and a 9300H CPU for 510 dollars lol, and it also came with a 150 dollar gift card. Not sure I really have a purpose for it.

    BTW, can you unlock these max-q chips that are soldered on these dell laptops (would prema know?)
     
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  5. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox Undefiled BGA-Hating Elitist

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    Yeah, BGA will always be a loathsome design concept for computers. Total nonsense unless you have some kind of sick fetish for crappy products.

    I am not sure, but I suspect Max-Q is no different, just crippled and gimped so they can be used in systems with lousy cooling and wimpy power delivery systems. The system I ordered is 2060 (not Max-Q). Pascal and Turing GPUs (including desktop GPUs) do not respond nearly as well to simple firmware mods as Maxwell and older GPUs; and, Pascal and Turing firmware mods have to be flashed with an SPI (hardware) programmer. Firmware mods won't flash with NVFLASH because they have to be signed. So many things are just totally sucky with computers now, and will only get progressively worse as time marches on.

     
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  6. TheCodeBreaker

    TheCodeBreaker 7H3 1337

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    dang, I thought it would be just as simple as in the past, was hoping it would just be an easy flash using NVflash, up the wattage on the chip and enjoy a bit more performance (basically un-"Max-Q" the card)
    without a proper guide for the SPI programmer, I doubt I'd be able to.
     
  7. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox Undefiled BGA-Hating Elitist

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    The SPI programming part is super easy.

    The first video is nothing more than a down and dirty look at what in-line manual GPU vBIOS programming looks like. No NVFLASH required. Screw NVIDIA and their signed firmware filth. You will need a programmer like the SkyPro or TL866A, and 1.8V adapter for the low-voltage chip on the GPU, an SOIC 'alligator' clip and another computer to program the chip in place. These tools are readily available on Amazon or eBay. IMPORTANT: Use the programmer to save a copy of your existing firmware in case you need to go back to it. If you skip the 1.8V adapter it may fry the chip on the GPU, so don't risk it. The second video demonstrates in more detail how to use the programmer.

    Use a clip like this for inline flashing... works for firmware programming on other devices as well. Second video demonstrates the backup procedure.
     
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  8. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    We can talk about Crappy products. Pay more and get less... This is stinky business!

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    That embarrassing realization when the Core i9-9880H has outperformed every Core i9-9980HK laptop thus far notebookcheck.net | Sept 30, 2019

    The slowest laptop with the Core i9-9980HK is the Dell XPS 15 7590 which the Core i9-9880H can outperform by as much 25 percent. If you're out looking for the "ultimate" Core i9 performance on mobile, the i9-9980HK offers only a marginal boost over the fastest i9-9880H laptop in the best of scenarios.
     
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  9. littlezipp

    littlezipp Notebook Consultant

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    I think the 9980HK needs to be looked at as an enthusiast chip that will require tuning and re-paste, but for those looking for the max performance it does the job. Dell exchanged my first M15 R2 with 9980HK due to crappy thermals and I really just wanted to return it but decided I would try a second system. Glad I did. Haven’t even had for a day yet but it’s an entirely different experience and this GPU is also more overclockable.

    Did a LM re-paste and this thing screams and stays cool - no more 100c. Anyone know how the tester in the article ran 30 runs of Cinebench R15 in a row or did he just click run right after the first? I’d like to replicate his test and share my results. His test showed only a single test above 1800 and I’m almost at 2,000 on a single run.
     
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  10. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOK's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    How high is PL1 and PL2 limit put?

    Cinebench R15 automated Loop Syntax

    Alienware M15 is dead
     
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