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  1. hmscott

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    New Intel Core Processor Combines High-Performance CPU with Discrete Graphics


    Podcast #475 - Intel with AMD graphics, Raja's move to Intel, and more!

    0:04:30 Intel Announces New CPUs Integrating AMD Radeon Graphics
    0:15:55 Raja Koduri Leaves AMD and Joins Intel to Build Discrete Graphics
    Week in Review:
    0:04:30 Intel Announces New CPUs Integrating AMD Radeon Graphics
    0:15:55 Raja Koduri Leaves AMD and Joins Intel to Build Discrete Graphics
    0:35:30 CASPER

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    0:52:15 Light And Dark-Side Collector’s Edition NVIDIA TITAN Xp for Pre-Order November 8th
    1:00:55 AmpliFi Announces Teleport, a Zero-Config VPN For Travelers
    1:07:45 StarCraft II Going Free-to-play on November 14th
    1:09:30 Rumor: Google Pixel 2 XL Slow Charging

    Hardware/Software Picks of the Week
    1:13:40 Allyn: Relatively cheap Samsung 82” (!!!) 4K TV
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    1:24:50 Ken: The Void Wallet


    Intel Announces New CPUs Integrating AMD Radeon Graphics
    https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Intel-Announces-New-CPUs-Integrating-AMD-Radeon-Graphics

    Raja Koduri Leaves AMD and Joins Intel to Build Discrete Graphics
    https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Edito...s-AMD-and-Joins-Intel-Build-Discrete-Graphics

    Rumor: Hades Canyon NUC with AMD Graphics Spotted
    https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Rumor-Hades-Canyon-NUC-AMD-Graphics-Spotted

    Podcast #475 - Intel with AMD graphics, Raja's move to Intel, and more!
    https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Podcast-475-Intel-AMD-graphics-Rajas-move-Intel-and-more
     
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    hmscott, best part of the post above: "Rumor: Hades Canyon NUC with AMD Graphics Spotted".

    Didn't even need to see the video! :)
     
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    By the way, two chips are coming, one 65W and the other 100W.

    The real performance in graphics talks about the 100W version doing 13-14K in 3DMark 11P, which is closer to a GTX 1060 than a 1050 Ti.

    It's said it'll have 24CUs or 1536SPs based on Polaris, with HBM2 clocking it at 600MHz or 800MHz for a bandwidth of 150/200GB/s.

    The 65W version is a lower end version having RX 460 specs or 896SPs.
     
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    It's always nice to post links with the source info when putting out such detailed information, links+quotes?

    Update: Excellent, thank you @IntelUser !
     
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    Sure, since you asked nicely. :)

    Links first,
    Upcoming NUCs: https://www.pcper.com/image/view/86083?return=node/68457
    Leaked performance: https://www.pcper.com/category/tags/kaby-lake-g
    Device Name: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content...-Kaby-Lake-G-Series-Integrated-Radeon-GPU.jpg
    Early leak: https://tech4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/intel-kaby-lake-g.jpg
    GPU leak: http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_r...d3eed6e5d6e5d7f183be8ea8cda895a583f0cdf5&l=en
    More leaks: https://hothardware.com/news/intel-...ntegrated-amd-radeon-graphics-benchmarks-leak

    Based on that, let's apply logic to accurately speculate.

    Performance:

    First, we know the package size is 58.5mm x 31mm. Based on that we can calculate the die size of the GPU portion to be ~200mm2. That is rather large, and quite close to Polaris 10's 232mm2 size.

    Applying logic, a score of a mere 4000 in 3DMark11 P would be an absolute waste of effort, and cost, and power. Because a small modification to an existing solution would be better, since Iris Pro P580 can do 3500 at 45W TDP. This would be the 2nd only implementation of a new EMIB packaging technology, the first ever cost-effective HBM2 use.

    The NUC roadmap also calls the higher-end, 100W version "Hades Canyon VR". Based on TDP, and the significant effort to talk to AMD, and integrate a not too cheap, HBM2/EMIB solution, you'd need 1050 Ti+ performance.

    Number of SPs:


    The sisoftware results show a 694E:C0 model with 24CUs and 1536SP. According to the Hothardware leak, it shows what I'd call some inconsistency because the 694E:C0 is the lower end model, and 694C:C0 is the high end one. It's possible that we'll see multiple models using the same SP GPU, just differing in clocks.

    HBM2 clocks:

    The same leaks show 700MHz/800MHz for the HBM2 clock. Since it uses DDR, the final clock turns out to be 1.4/1.6GHz. Because they are likely having parametric(performance related) yield problems, no HBM2 implementations exist that runs at the full 2GHz. Highest one is in Vega at 1.89GHz. I think 1.4/1.6GHz is quite realistic.

    Polaris or Vega?

    Geekbench result shows Device Name of gfx804. If you search for it that seems to be bunch of AMD GPUs that are in the Pro and the Embedded section. They are all Polaris. Right now the gfx804 series are very low end parts with 512SPs, but gfx804 with 694C:C0 doesn't exist. A yet nonexistent part destined for Intel.
     
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