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Installing new SSD to GT70, SATA3?

Discussion in 'MSI' started by Cloudfire, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    So I just repasted my GT70 0NE and installed the Samsung 840 Pro.I haven`t had a chance to try it out yet.

    But I read from various threads that the notebook have
    1xSATA3
    2xSATA2

    The lower right is SATA2 (where my 500GB HDD I got from MSI was) and the upper left is the only SATA3 according to this forum. But the mSATA raid0 card is already in the upper left and there is no slot there for me to insert the SSD or install any new HDDs. Nor is there any screws where I can mount the SSD to.

    The only place I can install a new drive is the lower right next to the battery. Does this mean I only can use mSATA SSDs to use the SATA3???
     
  2. pau1ow

    pau1ow Notebook Deity

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  3. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Thanks Pau1ow. Unfortunately I won`t touch the LPM settings due to the fact that it controls the power management also within the CPU so it won`t just affect the SSD.

    Are there really no other things I can do? Are they selling me a notebook that does not have a SATA3 port ready for new SSDs? Or have I missed something? If I remove the msata raid0 card, is it slots there I can slide the SSD in to to get the SATA3?

    I don`t want to use raid0 or use msata SSDs. This Samsung 840 PRO is the best out there right now
     
  4. GenTechPC

    GenTechPC Company Representative

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    That's because Intel chipset only supports 2 SATA III, so MSI has to sacrifice 2nd slot and use both SATAIII port on primary SATA with dual mSATA module in order to make Super RAID work.
     
  5. -=$tR|k3r=-

    -=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso

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    Ken pretty well explains why MSI chose the primary slot as SATA III only..... to facilitate an mSATA SuperRAID0 configuration, and still allowing for a secondary data drive. Sure, you can remove the mSATA adapter, and this will allow installation of your Samsung 840..... BUT, you will now only have single SATA III SSD performance...... not SuperRAID0 performance.

    :)
     
  6. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    I`m a little pissed off to be honest.

    The lower right is indeed SATA2. The dock where the mSATA Raid0 card is located however, is SATA3 to some kind of weird connection to the motherboard.
    I CANNOT USE THIS SATA3 interface. I removed the Raid0 card yesterday and there is nowhere I can plug in my Samsung 840 Pro.
    What the hell? This is almost a deal breaker since A) They sell their top model without any possible way to install your own SATA3. A top model without any SATA3. Why? B) They don`t inform about this on their homepage nor do the resellers tell about it. They actually sell SATA3 SSDs to these notebooks.... C) My Samsung 840 is much faster than any Raid0 setup people here are using. Raid0 mSATA is faster with file transfer, thats it, everything else, file access, IOPS, everyday scenarios like programs games etc, power draw, my Samsung 840 smokes raid0 which is the reason why I`m a little dissapointed.

    So right now I have only one option left, and that is editing the LPM settings in registry although I`m very reluctant to do so because it interferes with CPU power management as well.

    Here is my CrystalDiskMark from my Samsung 840 in the only available SSD bay:
    [image=400]http://i.imgur.com/YtKNE.jpg[/image]

    Here is what it looks like on SATA3:
    [​IMG]

    Here is the SATA3 bay where I removed the Raid0 card. The screw holes to mount the SSD are there but as you can see, no SATA3 connection available unless you have to purchase wires that you plug in the two white connections on the right there??
    [image=600]http://i.imgur.com/yld31.jpg[/image]
     
  7. jaug1337

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    I feel your pain ):
     
  8. pau1ow

    pau1ow Notebook Deity

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    You indeed need the SATA PCB that comes along all the MSI notebooks (but yours).

    I wouldn't worry too much about the LPM stuff though...
     
  9. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Tried the LPM fix, didn`t help either

    Before:
    [image=400]http://i.imgur.com/YtKNE.jpg[/image]

    With LPM fix:
    [image=400]http://i.imgur.com/qGxRi.jpg[/image]
     
  10. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    Hmmmm, interesting....... I stand corrected. So MSI has proprietized the primary slot? I think it has always been 'assumed', all one would need do is remove the mSATA adapter. Now that I think of it, I really do not recall any actual attempts at this. I think most have been content with the mSATA SuperRAID0 in the primary slot.

    I feel your pain too, and I know this is a disappointment. Not much help, but I guess you can look at it this way....... like an early adopter, you have traveled uncharted on an adventure of discovery...... and in doing such, you have done a service to us all. Now we all know for sure! Best of luck with this.....

    :)
     
  11. WhatsThePoint

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    The motherboard tracings from the chipset SATA III pins to the primary slot carries both of the SATA III connections allowed by the chipset.This is true of the GT70 and GT60.

    The barebones 16F3 and 1762 are the same.

    The GX60 is probably wired the same also.

    I haven't seen any testing of the MSI Super Raid adapter in the barebones Whitebook models probably because the adapter is not available for purchase,nobody with both a GT70 and barebones has tried it and the resellers may not be allowed to post information about it.

    The next Intel platform,Haswell,is speculated to have 6 SATA III connections allowed by the chipset so theoretically both internal bays could allow Super Raid along with SATA III for the optical bay and eSATA ports in future Haswell models if MSI so desires.
     
  12. Cloudfire

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    Thanks guys for the support. I just wish I found out about the lack of SATA3 port before purchasing this $250 SSD. That said its still superfast.
    I guess I have to either buy 2x128GB mSATA SSDs or continue using this. We`ll see.

    So a fair warning to anyone who might stumble upon this thread: All other models except GT70 0NE that doesn`t have the Raid0 card have a free SATA3 port for your SSD.
     
  13. brim31

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    Seems to me you need to get together with a gt60 owner wanting super raid, then swap adapters.
     
  14. Meaker

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    The gx60 uses an amd chipset so all the ports are gen3.

    There are also 256gb m4 msata drives.
     
  15. jaug1337

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    Is this the case for the 1762 barebone built from the GT70?
     
  16. WhatsThePoint

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    Are you saying that a SATA III SSD inside a caddy in the GX60 optical bay will perform at SATA III speeds?

    The secondary internal SATA drive bay is also SATA III?
     
  17. Meaker

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    No the gt series are intel based and have the 2 port limitation.

    This is one more reason we are hurting from amd not having a really competitive product.

    The amd gx60 offers all sata gen3 ports and the integrated graphics is far superior display option wise. Imagine if the cpu was of i5 level even.
     
  18. WhatsThePoint

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    Sorry,I typed GT60 in error;I meant to type GX60 as my previous post asks now.

    Optical Bay SATA III in the GX60?

    "Imagine if the cpu was of i5 level even."....this could just be the beginning of an AMD lineup?
     
  19. Meaker

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    Yes so the gx60 super raid version has:

    2xgen3 msata
    1xgen3 2.5" sata
    1xgen3 optical sata

    The non super raid has

    2xgen3 2.5" sata
    1xgen3 optical sata
     
  20. WhatsThePoint

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    Thanks a lot for the info!
     

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