In the Market for New Motherboard

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  1. StormJumper

    StormJumper Notebook Virtuoso

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    True enough sometimes to many cores can hurt performance and game play. But I will leave this up to the user to choose based on their needs and future needs can change over time as well. I like to upgrade my i5-4690K but the process of putting in the CoolerMaster 212 wasn't a exciting job to redo as I almost messed up the pin and that would've PI(&*& me off.

    My setup is 256Gb SSD main and installed programs but keep a Secondary HDD 3tb to store all my data so if the main every goes out the date is protected. But if they can't get a 1tb SSD then get a 500tb SSD it plenty big but if you plan to store videos/movies consider a 3tb WD green.

    I avoid AMD like a plague now after hearing with their latest drivers did to the GPU. AMD has been plagued with driver stability issues after 12.10 and I know I tried 13.10 and it cause so many dead video restart crashes...that just drove me nuts. Nvidia so far from GTX460 to now GTX970 MSI I have no problems.
     
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    deedlez349 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for the suggestion! I'm browsing these NZXT cases and they are absolutely beautiful! I'm currently going for a black and white look (giving pink a break for a little while, haha) and I'm definitely liking what I see, this is going to be a tough choice! Thank you :)

    Oh wow, this is so helpful thank you!! I'm going to start with a 256 GB SSD for my OS and then a 1TB SSD for my games, that might be the best for at least a couple of years because I'm not very big on storing music and movies on my computer (still rocking old school DVDs and most of my music/digital movies are online) so I would only have games on it and maybe Microsoft Office; then down the road I'll add another SSD. Since my 1TB 840 Pro still has quite a bit of space left since I got it for my laptop in 2013 I should be fine with 1TB for this build as well for another couple of years. :)

    Thank you and StormJumper about the detailed CPU info! That's definitely helpful to know that the extra cores from the 5960X might hurt performance although it's a still a beast of a high-end CPU, I'll definitely take that into consideration while choosing. I still find myself leaning toward the 5930K but I'm sure I'll be very happy with either!

    Yes! I've been reading up on ultrawide monitors, I didn't really know much about them at the time I had posted this topic, but those 3440x1440p monitors do look amazing! The number one issue I encountered as you mentioned above is the lack of support with many games, as well as not being able to overclock the refresh rate up to/past 100hz; I'll definitely check out 4k/144hz monitors as well, thank you!

    That is absolutely insane about the potential 10x performance gain from the Pascal GPUs! That would be amazing. I'll definitely keep an eye out for Pascal updates since 2016 is right around the corner; that'll give me enough time to consolidate all of these amazing suggestions you guys have given me so I can finalize the build. :) Also, thanks for the info on the Radeon Fury! I've always had a soft spot for Nvidia since I'm so used to them at this point, so I'll more than likely be on the lookout for more news on the Pascal GPUs or cave and get this beauty, but I definitely love having more options to look research!

    Thanks again, can't thank you guys enough! I'll definitely keep you updated.
     
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  3. Cass-Olé

    Cass-Olé Notebook Evangelist

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    black n' white huh? I was watching this vid the other day; 1st impressions mean everything, so if u like what u see starting at the 11min 55 sec mark, put it on your radar (other nice stuff starts at about the 20min mark). FYI: if you get a case with a looking-glass window, NZXT sells white led strings for a nice bright look inside, other colors too (their HUE led controller is nice for those cases that can fit it). I'm staying tuned til your build's done, can't wait for the public debut (=
     
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    Apollo13 100% 16:10 Screens

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    Ah yes, I forgot to mention that regardless, a second HDD or another backup solution is always a good idea. I currently have a second drive that I back up both my main HDD and my SSD onto (the backup is compressed so it can fit both), but the important thing is to have a backup option, preferably automated since it's easy to not do it for several months otherwise. While I'd dare say SSDs have reached the point where they're more reliable than hard drives now, they still aren't perfect, so it's good to have a backup just in case.

    I tend to just stick with a driver that works well for me nowadays, although back around 2008 I was one of the people downloading custom Dox drivers and trying to get every last inch of performance out of my 8600M GT. Generally that's worked out since I don't get the highest performance, but also don't get the latest bugs. I can understand being hesitant about AMD after the Radeon Crimson fan fiasco though.

    I suppose part of the reason I'm partial to them is that they're generally respectable with their business practices. I was very into performance when I had an nVIDIA and Soldergate happened, and rather than acknowledging it and issuing a fix as soon as possible like AMD did with Crimson, nVIDIA tried to sweep it under the rug for over a year, and only caved when multiple OEMs including Dell and Apple pressured them to do so due to unusually high failure rates (and thus repair costs for the OEMs). While I was very lucky with my particular 8600M GT and it never failed, many of that generation did and for a long time I figured it was only a matter of time until mine would. Granted, that was a hardware issue so nVIDIA couldn't have patched it, but they certainly could have acknowledged it sooner, announced extended warranties sooner, and changed their manufacturing process quicker when the problem became evident. So I've never quite forgotten about that, and have only bought AMD GPUs since then.

    Not that I wouldn't ever buy an nVIDIA GPU again, but I decided after Soldergate that my next build (which was my desktop in 2011) would have an AMD GPU, and it worked out well to get an AMD GPU in my laptop last year as well.

    No problem! I'm sure you'd be happy with either CPU as well, just didn't want you to spend hundreds extra for the top-end expecting better performance in games to find it's either moderately better, or somewhat worse... it's beyond the peak value even for most hardcore gamers.

    I should caution that there's no reason to actually believe the 10x claim; Jen-Hsun (nVIDIA's CEO and co-founder) is known for making bombastic claims and being anything but modest, and while nVIDIA manages to meet his claims an admirable amount of the time, he does tend to get a little ahead of the engineers when it comes to announcing how amazing nVIDIA's next GPU will be. I do expect Pascal will have a major increase in performance, just not 10 times. Even in Y2K when CPUs and GPUs were going gangbusters year after year, you couldn't expect anywhere near that much of an increase in a single generation. So we'll see. Double might actually happen, with the 28nm -> 14nm move. But I'm taking the 10 times proclamation with a grain of salt until hard numbers from an independent review site show up.

    The Fury's an interesting product in that it's kind of a preview of next-gen technology, namely high-bandwidth memory (HBM). It's not outright better than a 980 TI - it depends on the resolution and the particular game as to which is preferable - so it's really situational and up to personal preferences as to which is better. Generally, the Fury is optimized to 4K resolutions, and to DirectX 12/Mantle/Vulkan, whereas the 980 TI fares better with lower resolutions (usually requiring higher refresh rates since both would be above 60 Hz in many lower-res cases anyway), super-high resolutions due to being able to have more than 4 GB of VRAM (Dell's 5K monitor, dual-4K, etc.), and DX11. For a lot of cases today, that means the 980 TI will be a slightly better fit, but it's hard to go wrong with either. And while not applicable to your build, the Fury Nano is also a very interesting product by being a top-tier performance GPU in an unusually small form factor for its power.

    It'll be interesting to see what both sides come out with next year. Both will be going to 14nm, and both will have HBM 2.0 (although AMD first; nVIDIA may go with a next-gen GDDR5 in the interim as a midpoint between GDDR5 and HBM 2.0). It's characteristic that nVIDIA would be the one to proclaim its massive gains in advance, but in the end both sides should expect major gains from the 28nm to 14nm jump alone, and the lack of any grandiose proclamations from AMD likely reflects differences in corporate culture (or perhaps just CEO personalities) more than a lack of an expected performance jump. I'm personally hoping that AMD winds up with the upper hand next year, since their books could certainly use it and competition is a good thing for all in the end, but regardless 2016 should be a very good year for GPU upgrades.
     
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  5. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Not that stupid 10x claim again. The 10x was in reference to specific GPU compute scenarios (neural networks? deep learning?), and is also cheating because NVLink allows an array of 8 GPUs, whereas SLI is limited to 4. So it's really only 5x AT BEST in idealized GPU compute scenarios. For gaming purposes, I'd be surprised if they managed even 2.5x, if past history is any indication.

    And yeah agreed about shady business practices. Which is why I buy nVidia only if they offer better value than AMD.
     
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