In the Market for New Motherboard

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  1. deedlez349

    deedlez349 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi, everyone!

    I received so many great suggestions and feedback on here while putting together the specs for my gaming laptop in 2013, I figured I'd try my luck again this year. :) This time I'm looking to upgrade to a desktop gaming rig, and I'm a bit stuck on filling in a few components. I'm sort of going all out with this build because I'm looking to be able to max out my games' settings (Witcher 3, Fallout 4, etc.) on a 2K (2560x1440) monitor for at least a couple of years, if not more. I'm having trouble choosing the right motherboard for this build; I've been looking at ASUS and Gigabyte brands, but there so many choices I can't look at all of them for too long before my brain starts to hurt. @-@ Also, less of a priority but I'd also appreciate any recommendations in terms of silent yet effective fans for cooling the walls/floor of the chassis:

    Chassis: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Series Full Tower
    CPU: i7-5960X or 5930K
    GPUs: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 in SLI or EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N in SLI (Was contemplating sticking with the stock air cooling, but I might switch them out for waterblocks. I'm not a crazy overclocker but as games get more demanding I'd like the option to really push these cards to the limit.
    Motherboard: ??
    Fans: ??
    OS Drive:
    SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 256GB
    Drive 2: SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5" 1TB
    Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (32GB)
    Power Supply: EVGA 220-P2-1000-XR 80 PLUS Platinum 1000 W
    OS: Windows 10 Professional

    Of course any other input/suggestions/feedback regarding anything else regarding this potential build is more than welcome. :) I'm going for a rig that may be overkill today but won't be in the future, especially considering how demanding games are becoming and in such a short time.

    Thanks so much in advance, I really appreciate it! :)
     
  2. gschneider

    gschneider Notebook Evangelist

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    Can't go wrong with ASUS. I have an Asus X99-S which is basically and X99 Deluxe without the wifi (I didn't need it).

    Works great, never had an issues either.

    Fans, I have corsair SP120 performance fans as I was not bothered about the noise, and they were a little easier for me to get hold of then the noctua fans. Though the Noctua ones get the best reviews online.
     
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    deedlez349 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oh awesome!! Thank you so much for your feedback! Definitely a big help :)
     
  4. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Asus Mobos are the best IMO and if I were to build a desktop, I would get an Asus one... I would personally also have a look at the Gigabyte G1 Gaming Mobos... They're top notch too..
     
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    Over the last 10 years, Asus has been my go to brand.. except for 1. It was a Gigabyte (on sale at the time), that I had no issues with, until I bought a SSD. There was no AHCI option in the BIOS, nor were there any update fixes ever made available. When I bought the Gigabyte, SSD's had already been out for a couple of years, and I fail to see how they didn't cover that in the original BIOS, or an update. I fixed that by buying ..yup, another Asus. I don't have any TOL gaming motherboards, so I would suggest going with a combination of hardware reviews, and user reviews to narrow it down.

    I've been partial to Cooler Master 80mm and 120mm fans. I've never had a failure within 3 years, and they are very quiet. For those, I'd go pretty much with hardware reviews only.. as most people (happy customers) rarely will post a review on fans. Pay particular attention to the DB results.

    To me, the most overlooked part to buy for gaming is the power supply, and you have that covered. You didn't mention (outright) whether you were upgrading your CPU cooler, but that's fairly important too. I haven't upgraded much lately, but I do know the last 3 CPU fans I've bought are (2) Zalmans, and (1) Scythe low profile.

    Outside of that, I use (and love) the SteelSeries 4HD mouse pad. It's hard, not soft.. and very durable. I use it with my Logitech G700 wired/wireless mouse, and have no complaints. Good Luck!
     
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    How much are you expecting to expand for SSD or Water cooling will determine which Tower you will decide on?
    Get the 5690X the higher the better..
    I would get 2 MSI 980Ti cards instead and SLI them.
    DDR4 board is what you should look for and find one that gives you more Sata ports along with Fan headers-You want to have expansion options when it comes due.
    Are you doing to do Water cooling or not? This determine how many fans you get or use
    I avoid M.2 drives and go SSD all the way.
    Incease that to 2tb SSD if you can afford it.
    Are these DDR4? Also 32GB will be more then plenty for even Gamers...
    This might be over kill but I would go having a buffer when running games especially if you SLI and water cool.
    This will depend alot of what you plan to do - do you want DX12 or not? I am still using W7x64 Ult Sp1 and it has worked fine for me so far.
    This is my input so far.
     
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    deedlez349 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks guys, really great advice! I've definitely had my eye on Asus mobos, the Asus X99-Pro to be exact. :) Also, spelingchampeon thanks for letting me know about the fans! I was planning to go with the NZXT Kraken CPU cooler and now I've got Zalman to consider, it looks beautiful and has a ton of great reviews! I'm also happy to hear that the Cooler Master fans are very quiet! I'll definitely look into those, as well as Phanteks. I also completely forgot I would be needing a mousepad, so I really appreciate that recommendation! Looks nice, sleek and sturdy. :)

    Ah gotcha, thanks! I had read that the extra cores/threads were not necessary for gaming at the time the 5960X came out which was the only reason I was leaning toward the 5930K but it's definitely worth a second look! :)
    Great suggestion! It has a ton of great reviews, it will definitely be tough to choose between these and the Gigabyte G1 in SLI!
    I'm leaning heavily toward the Asus X99-Pro, which I see is a DDR4 board!
    I'll be going with a aircooled build this tme, I'd love to try out watercooling but that's just a disaster waiting to happen, haha - I'll save that for a future build when I'm a bit more experienced. :)
    Ah thank you! Any reason why you avoid M.2 drives?
    Sounds good!
    Yep! DDR4, maybe 16 gigs will be more than enough, I'd heard from a friend that Star Wars: Battlefront was taking up all 32 gigs of memory on his computer and I was pretty shocked and confused, haha!
    Thanks, I will look into this!
    I've been using Windows 7 Professional since 2013 and I have no complaints! Ideally I would like to stay with Windows 7 but I'll upgrade to Windows 10 if I have to; is DX12 more efficient with Windows 10 than Windows 7?
    Thank you, I really appreciate all of this!
     
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    You might need it but if you can afford to get more I would go for it. But factor cost/future expansions for POWER.

    I went from MSI GTX770OC to 970GTX OC 4G - I don't push mine but I play Pillars of Eternity on it.

    Just makes sure it has what you and need not what they want to give you. Make sure your GPU slots are 16x,16x when you go SLI at least that.

    I am using CoolerMaster 212 and so far it works very good.

    Cost and Expansion options. SSD will get bigger drives and cost less then M.2 drives. I know they tell you to use M.2 as your Main install but I think in the end SSD vs M.2 the difference will show in test numbers but everyday users won't see the gains. Also you will spend more money on M.2 drives as opposed to SSD of same capacity. I hear the SSD will become 16tb now that should make one think SSD will not concede to M.2 that easily.

    RAM Memory is more important if your using Photoshop, AutoCad, MS Office, Video Authoring software, Fractale math beyond this more RAM unless the software uses it your wasting money. This is where the GPU Memory makes or breaks your game. MSI GTX 980ti with alot of RAM and in SLI will do more to improve Gaming Experience like for Crysis 3 as this use the GPU RAM more then your System RAM. Add more Displays and the RAM of your GPU will determine your resolution and how many you can hookup and use. Going 4K well remember your Display is going to cost you to go that route as well.

    I haven't yet seen real world usage of DX12 til I see people doing that we can only wait. As for DX12 more efficient I see the Demos but haven't used it myself to know the benefits of it. For those wanting cutting edge then they will go for it as for the masses if your system is stable and working keep it as is. Then build a new system with Windows 10 where the Motherboard and drivers support Windows 10 that will do more to keep the system stable. As anything in the end make a Plan as what your spending and what do you want as a END result of the system build to do for you down the road. My last system went for 8 years before it couldn't handle what I wanted from it. I got a Asrock Z97 Extreme6, i5-4690K @4.2Ghz, 16Gig RAM DDR3-1866OC, MSI GTX 970OC 4G and so far it is handling what I throw at it-it's Pillars of Eternity but this is the type of games I play RPG as this is what I grew up with and like. Crysis 3 on the other hand will push your system CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD to the max if want extreme gaming. Then you might consider water cooling as this will push every limits your system has. But such upgrades cost $$$ to do this so check your Plans on such Extreme gaming.

    As anything this is what I think. I would've gone this way not water cooling but it was HDD/SSD that I wanted first so I didn't go higher GPU, CPU and they still are doing well for the choice I made.
     
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    if your heart's settled on a case then this may be too late, but three of my custom-builds were done with different NZXT cases (all Phantoms); I think the link has 4 pages to choose from, & they offer refurbs at a discount, free shipping if order's over $200 from their Armory - give 'em a last minute browse, they make nice stuff ;)
     
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    While I take it cost is not a primary concern,

    They aren't necessary. Among the high-end CPUs, the 5930K is the sweet spot, with its 40 PCI Express lanes enabling SLI/CrossFire with both cards at x16 speeds. The 5960X's eight cores are great if you need heavy computational power, such as for scientific computing or video encoding, but is not worth it for games. For some games the 5960X will actually be slightly worse, since with two more cores, the average overclock (and its standard frequency, if you don't overclock) is lower, making it worse for games that don't take advantage of more than one thread.

    While I don't disagree, look at how much space your games are taking up now (I use JDiskReport for a nice pie chart of this on my Steam folder, but the key point is a ballpark figure). If you're using less than 500 GB or so, you might as well stick with 1 TB, still be able to put everything on that, and pick up another SSD in a few years at half the cost per gigabyte or less if you need more then. Also consider that if a lot of your space is taken up by movies/music/etc., it's pointless to buy a bigger SSD for that, since it will see no benefit - spinning disks are still the best storage for that type of file.

    Sticking with 1 TB also gives you more choice of SSDs. While the 850 Pro does have a 2 TB version, at $880, the other performance king, the Extreme Pro, caps out at 960 GB, and only costs $380 for that (or $350 at Micro Center). In a year both will surely come down; I'd personally go with the 1 TB Extreme Pro if I were buying today and didn't need the hardware encryption the 850 Pro offers.

    All in all I don't think you'll run into any issues with this rig with 2560x1440. Really, I think you're building it strong enough that you'd be fine with either 4K, or with a 144 Hz 2560x1440 panel (perhaps with GSync, or if it had Radeons, FreeSync). I'd recommend going with the slightly-less-expensive 5930K and the 1 TB Extreme Pro, and using the savings to upgrade the monitor to 4K/144 Hz somewhat sooner.

    There's also ultrawide 1440p that your cards could surely handle, and having seen Dell's curved version of that in person at a friend's place, I can say it is beautiful. Alas, not many games support it well yet, so if games is the primary focus, 4K/144 Hz likely makes more sense (though ultrawide is a lovely replacement for two side-by-side panels for productivity).

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    Edit: It also might not be the best time to invest in Maxwell SLI. Jen-Hsun is touting 10x performance gains in Pascal, and while I'm sure there's more than a little hyperbole there, NVIDIA can't really release a card without a major performance increase after that kind of proclamation. And there is some good reason to believe there will be a major increase in performance - GPUs will go from 28nm to 14nm next year, and HBM 2.0 will be available (although AMD will get priority on that since they helped develop it).

    Coupled with AMD's GCN architecture being more suited to the multiple dispatch threads that DX12 specializes in - something nVIDIA will equal them in with Pascal, but can't address in Maxwell since it's a hardware difference - and it seems like a poor time to invest in two high-end SLI cards, particularly if DX12 is a focus. There's reason to believe the Radeon Fury cards, and perhaps even the R9 390 series, may do better in DX12 than the 980 series if you plan to keep them long term, and both NVIDIA and AMD can expect major performance gains with the move to 14nm and HBM 2.0 next year.

    So I'd say, either buy one card now and upgrade to two once 14nm comes out (and perhaps also HBM 2.0, since particularly for nVIDIA HBM 2.0 may come slightly later), or if you want two cards now, decide if you care more about DX11 or DX12 games. NVIDIA makes sense if you plan to focus on DX11, but I'd consider going Radeon Fury if DX12 is the focus and you plan to keep them long-term.
     
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