I think this is mostly a hate apple thread.

Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by Brenden Weaver, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Brenden Weaver

    Brenden Weaver Notebook Enthusiast

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    Everytime I look to read issues people are having I just see a lot of hate posted. I hate them too but still respect them (even after the 2011 gpu crap they pulled..) Now here is hoping my daughters 2017 mbp keyboard doesn't give out.
    I would love to read more about problems being solved than just youtube videos I already seen linked here.
     
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  2. electrosoft

    electrosoft Tick Tock Clarice....

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    If you post a specific problem or issue you're having, you will usually get some help. Some bash Apple, but it is a love/hate relationship. I've used the 2016, 2017 and now a 2018 (i9) Macbook Pro 15 for work and I am not a huge fan of the keyboard. When it is docked (where it spends 80% of its life), it's a non issue, but on the go I take a portable BT keyboard with me and maybe only ~5% of the time do I actually have to use the built in keyboard. I can make it work, but I prefer other keyboards.
     
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  3. Brenden Weaver

    Brenden Weaver Notebook Enthusiast

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    Right.. just not a lot of new content lately.
     
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    kojack Notebook Virtuoso

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    the main issue I have with apple computers, is they are stuck in the early 2000s. They are form over function. They need to move into the present with an updated MacOS. They need two in one offerings, REAL TOUCH, not some hackjob touch bar, and they need to make their devices reliable. At this point you are almost guaranteed to have failures of hardware with a MacBook/mac. The screens cracking, not covered, the keyboards failing (just issued an "apology" and now are fixing them) after a year of constant complaints and customers leaving the platform. It's hard to recommend apple or get excited over a new MacBook, when nothing has changed except the overall lack of reliability. I paid 599 dollars for my 13 in dell 2 in 1, and it's better than my son's MacBook air. I am using apple for my portable devices (iPhone, ipad). I really like them better than the competition. However, I think I am going to move my ipad 2018 to my wife's device, and I am going to get a 128gb surface go LTE to replace it. I really only use the browser on it, and the apps I do use have UWP apps and great webpages. The overall useage of the ipad is lessened now since most websites are developed for smaller screens now as well.

    That should be pwa apps. Not uwp.
     
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  5. electrosoft

    electrosoft Tick Tock Clarice....

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    @kojack You hit the nail on the head with form over function. I understand thin and light, but there has to be a point where they prioritize performance and then maximize the form around that parameter. The Macbooks I've used are....ok. My main gripe is the keyboard this time around even moreso than performance which is telling.

    I'm not asking for the world, but adding half an inch and a pound would do wonders for them as a start.

    Their next MacPro would do well to lean more towards the cheese grater and not the cylinder fail.
     
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  6. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

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    My biggest issue with Apple these days is not so much form over function but how Apple is purposely SQUEEZING their customers for more money.

    Case in point, I own a 2012 Mac Mini and I wanted to buy the 2018 Mini. Several problems arise. The base model comes with only 128GB of disk storage. Really only 128GB of storage in 2019 that you’ll to cough up another $200 to move up to 256GB of storage. So now the base model went from $799 to $999.

    Another problem arises, the 2018 Mac Mini is a royal PITA to work on. If you want to upgrade the memory, you literally have to disassemble the entire Mini and remove the motherboard.

    Problem #3, the SSD storage is soldered onto the motherboard. Really, Apple was that really necessary? If the SSD fails the Mini needs a new mobo. Sure you can add an external drive but the adds to the cost of $999 for the i3 base model with 256GB.

    So just to make the point how Apple is squeezing their customers, I bought a Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny desktop. It’s the same size as the Mini with virtually the same specs AND it came with 256GB M2 Storage Card. It uses a similar Intel CPU i3 as the Mini with 8GB and the Intel 630 GPU as the Mini.

    The best part is, you remove one screw and you have clear access to ThinkCentre Tiny and can easily replace the M2 storage card in a few seconds or upgrade the system memory. Adding a second drive is just as easy.

    Now here’s the rub. I bought the ThinkCentre Tiny for $398 vs $999 and it’s super easy to work on and replace parts. Windows 10 boots in under 7 seconds.

    I like Apple products and macOS but times have changed and Apple IMO is operating like they are selling a brand and the customers will buy it at any cost.

    When my 2012 Mini is no longer supported, i’m going to convert it to a Linux box and just leave macOS. Apple’s OS is no longer as magical as it once was and I started using it with the very first release of OS X in 2001/2. Now Windows 10 with Microsoft doing everything it can to screw things up on purpose rivals macOS. Linux has come a long, long way and has become a solid alternative with Linux Mint being my favorite. Little by little Apple is doing everything it can to turn people away and now people have good choices besides macOS.

    ......sorry for the long post.
     
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  7. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I agree. Apple is all about making money. The shiny objects Apple sells happen to be computers. It's all about pricing. Boldly charging far too much for something made desirable with marketing. And, then charging even more next year for essentially the same thing - many years running.

    The most amusing are comparisons showing "time / inflation adjusted" prices from Apple's own most overpriced products - like the Macintosh II - used to justify Apple's current overpriced products like the new Macintosh Pro.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_II :
    "Introductory price US$5,498 (equivalent to $12,125 in 2018)"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_IIfx :
    "Introductory price US$8,969 (equivalent to $17,200 in 2018)"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_IIx
    "Introductory price US$7,769 (equivalent to $16,458 in 2018)"

    Here's a much longer explanation on Apple's true business of "pricing", from 2010:

    How Apple plays the pricing game
    Creative strategies prompt consumers to buy, buy, buy
    By Ben Kunz, Bloomberg Businessweek, updated 9/6/2010 12:53:38 PM ET
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38980367/ns/business-us_business/t/how-apple-plays-pricing-game/

    Apple have implemented a few more tricks since 2010 to continue to increase their profit margins.
     
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  8. Richard Zheng

    Richard Zheng Notebook Evangelist

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    If apple didn't try to take advantage of their customers so much, maybe they wouldn't get so much hate
     
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  9. Jarhead

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    All for-profit companies are about making money. Apple’s certainly not alone in this as far as computers go, as pretty much all OEMs are pursuing this goal.

    That said, the bashing can slow down a bit if Apple started to make decent computers. And if you have a specific question about something, someone will get around to answering it.
     
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    Richard Zheng Notebook Evangelist

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    IMO they make good computers that provide some good value occasionally and have very strong points. But then they throw away any advantages they might have had by several choices that serve no other purpose other than to screw over their customers. Insane component upgrade costs + lack of easy to service design are totally unnecessary and don't add to the product, only take away
     

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