i need a better understanding of displays to filter down the many many laptops

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  1. 32ram

    32ram Notebook Enthusiast

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    res basically is the total of how much info/text we can see on the screen

    1. if you have res of X, would X show the same amount of total info/text across all screen sizes? since the total res doesnt change?

    if not why not?

    2. if we have a res of X, and we zoom out to 80% on chrome, does that mean we are seeing basically 20% more info/text across all screen sizes?

    3. if zooming out basically means more info/text, that means the max res doesnt matter that much right? since you can always just zoom out to see more info/text, so you're effectively just increasing the res yea?

    if you have the same res in 15'
    and in 17' screen size
    that means you can zoom out more and see more info/text in 17' screen size
    cos the screen size is giving you more space to zoom out from the same res
    yea?

    so larger screen size gives you more space to zoom out
    so that means screen size is just as important as max res to see more info/text
    yea?
     
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    um 4k at 100 is 4x 1080p at 100

    not sure what your getting at, but the higher the rez the better for estate
     
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    See my responses in red above
     
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    32ram Notebook Enthusiast

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    umm doesnt anyone here know the answers the other questions i asked?

    like,
    1. what are the common ratios that comes close to 1:1 for laptops?
    2. and what are the best laptops with those ratios that also has the ram requirement?
     
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    I've already answered your 1:1 ratio question in your other post, you're not winning any points here and no one is going to want to help you if you insult them.

    There are NO 1:1 screen size ratios. 16:9 is the most common resolution ratio. There are lots of laptops out there with 32gb of ram, and many more that could be upgraded to it. You've provided zero information on what your needs are so I'm not going to attempt to list laptops for your moving target.

    Do yourself a favor, provide some information so we can better help you. If you can't do that then we can't be expected to try to help you.
     
  7. 32ram

    32ram Notebook Enthusiast

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    huh where in the world do you get that i 'insult' by asking question ???

    where in the world you get that from?
     
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    You posted "umm doesnt anyone here know the answers the other questions i asked?" which insinuates we don't know or aren't willing to help you answer your questions. You've already posted those questions in another thread and I've tried to answer them based on the very limited (near zero) information you've provided. We are happy to answer reasonable questions on this forum, but you have to meet us half way by asking questions that we could actually answer.
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It's a complicated question, with a simple answer, I hope :)

    1) 1:1 I think is what you mean by exact match between screen display resolution and "info" resolution.

    The answer is that the screen has a "fixed" density of pixels with a "fixed" resolution.

    That means when you display the same resolution "info" onto a screen with the same resolution, you have a 1:1 correspondence between pixels and "info".

    That's a good start, ok?

    Now, when you scale up or down in resolution for the "info" displayed on the screen, the screen is no longer 1:1, and it is either not showing exact the "info" - the screen pixels can only represent a fraction of what the "info" delivers to the screen.

    If you want a 1080p display (which I suggest for laptops), then you want to set your laptop "info" resolution to 1080p as well. That will give you 1:1 "info" to display pixels.

    Windows allows "scaling the desktop" which means for example, on a very small display even 1080p might make some text or images too small to "read", so Windows used to default to 125% scaling or 1.25:1 - now it's back to 100% or 1:1 at default settings

    You can scale the desktop image using Microsofts controls up to 500%(?), although that would be a pretty small amount of "info" blown up as shown on the 1080p display.

    All displays will have a fixed pixel density and a default 1:1 resolution, and that will provide the best sharpest image to view.

    I prefer a 17" screen over a 15" / 14" / 13" / 11" 1080p screen because when you stare at a screen for 10-14 hours a day at work - or longer - you have to give your eyes a chance of surviving long term. Squinting at the screen, goose-necking stretching out your neck to get closer to the screen, and everything else involved when you can't quite read what's on the display.

    In my work I often am watching very fast scrolling text and I must catch things in fractions of a second, and then quickly move around in text files to find specific minute details - it's so much easier and more enjoyable when I can see what I am looking at, and then I don't have to repeat the operations over and over to catch when I need to see.

    4k sounds like a great idea, but in practice it's a PIA to use for text work - unless you have a 32" or larger screen - less than that for me gives me eye-strain over the hours of use.

    The only way people can use them comfortably in smaller sizes is to use Windows desktop scaling - like 200% plus, and then what's the point of the 4k screen? You might as well see your text 1:1 on a 1080p display.

    1440p displays are getting much better at displaying text 1:1 at laptop and external display sizes, I prefer at least 27", that works for me. Some desktop scaling might help sometimes, but my eyesight is still very good even after decades of looking at computer screens for 16 hours a day (work+home).

    You can also tweak the text display using Windows ClearType text tuner, which helps with setting the text to display more uniformly dark - much easier on the eyes when it's tuned.

    If you need to see photo's and video, you'll also want 1:1 if possible. That's where the conflict between viewing and editing text on a display gets in the way of viewing and editing photo's and video.

    These days we've gone far past 1080p video and photo's, so that's what drives 4k and higher resolution displays.

    If that's your job and the job of your laptop, then a 4k display is a good idea for you, a bad idea for reading and editing text, but you could have another much larger monitor at home with 4k, or even a dedicated text editing / reading monitor in portrait mode to get the most screen working for your task.

    So, in summary, 1:1 is best for reading text and editing video's / photo's, but I personally lean toward text - I watch videos and youtube just fine at 1080p / 1440p on 17" laptop screen's, and as soon as I can at work or at home I connect larger external displays to optimize my use.

    Any questions?

    Also it's traditional and expected here at NBR, to fill out the form with your requirements before asking for recommendations for laptop choices. We have looked at these requests for many years and it really does make it easier to find a focus to work with those requests. And, you may find that going through the steps of answering the questions - looking up things to be sure before answering - will help you focus your own selection process in the long run.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/what-should-i-buy-form-must-read-before-posting.29271/

    Here are some links describing Screen Resolution, Windows Desktop Scaling and Cleartype Text Tuner:

    What Is Monitor Resolution? Resolutions and Aspect Ratios Explained
    July 29, 2019
    https://www.viewsonic.com/library/tech/monitor-resolution-aspect-ratio/

    Use Windows 10's individual display scaling to perfect your multi-monitor setup
    Ian Paul, PCWorld | JUL 30, 2018
    https://www.pcworld.com/article/295...ling-to-perfect-your-multi-monitor-setup.html

    How to Turn On or Off ClearType in Windows 10

    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/80598-turn-off-cleartype-windows-10-a.html

    Microsoft ClearType overview

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/cleartype/
     
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  10. 32ram

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    1. if you're zooming out on chrome = that means you're showing more text/info at the same res

    and you'll be showing more text/info across all screen sizes that all have the same res (that's correct right?)

    2. if you're zooming in on chrome = that means you're showing less text/info at the same res, and the font would be bigger

    and you'll be showing less text/info across all screen sizes that all have the same res (that's correct right?)


    this is more complicated than expected, is there not a more simpler way to show this
    for example maybe a good youtube or interactive visualisation ?

    have gotten to zoom/display-related topic on the main post
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/laptops-with-32gb-of-ram.831927/page-2#post-10994065

    was it a yes or no to the first question that was asked?

    "if you have res of X, would X show the same amount of total info/text across all screen sizes? since the total res doesnt change?"

    and the other questions asked? was it a yes or no to the other 2 question in op?
     
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