HTWingNut's Sager NP7330 / Clevo W230ST REVIEW

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  1. mattstermh

    mattstermh Notebook Evangelist

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    haha, no ssd in my machine brothas.
     
  2. HTWingNut

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    Just as note, I measured temps of two sets of RAM at each of the 8 exposed chips of the top RAM:
    (1) Kingston Hyper-X 2x4GB 2133MHz (running at 1866MHz) @ 1.5V
    (2) Samsung 2x4GB 1600MHz (running at 1600MHz) @ 1.35V

    Kingston idle was about 48C average on the chips with a range of about 45-49
    Kingston at load was about 50C average on the chips with a range of about 47-51
    Samsung idle was about 46C average on the chips with a range of about 42-49
    Samsung at load was about 49C average on the hcips with a range of about 43-51

    So for whatever reason some chips ran cooler on the Samsung RAM, but average the temps were within 1-2C, and didn't vary much with a load applied.
     
  3. Paton

    Paton Notebook Enthusiast

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    Ordered mine last thursday, hopefully it shows up next week.

    For those people wondering for sure if downscaling the game to 720p or 900p will not actually be noticeable or anything, you can rest assured that the games will look absolutely fine.
    The average 1080p monitor is around 24", and have a PPI of around 90.
    This little 13" panel has a PPI of around 165, and even if you set the resolution to 720p, that's still a PPI of 110. You'd have to set the resolution to 1024x600 to get the same PPI as a regular 24" 1080p monitor. So don't worry about downscaling issues too much, it shouldn't ever become an issue.
     
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    lastnikita Notebook Deity

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    @HT thanks for the temps, those are very cool indeed. My kingston ones from the w110 are so hot..
    I have nothing to measure them but can't keep touching them for more than a few seconds even when idling.
     
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    mattstermh Notebook Evangelist

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    Wing, does your fan kick in at a very loud noise when playing BF3? At max fan speed this thing is a little uneasy on the ears lol
     
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    Colpolite Notebook Deity

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    HT, how are the cpu temps on your replacement w230st when gaming or benchmarking before doing any mods or undervolting and just stock sitting on a flat surface?

    Do you get cpu temps as good as Amal in the mid 80s?
     
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    You guys are all using notebook coolers, right?
     
  8. HTWingNut

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    It's pretty much what I expected I guess. It's a loud wooshing noise, pretty much same as my larger NP9150. It's the result of putting 15" components in a 13" chassis. People complain about temperatures but then complain about noise. Personally I don't think it's that bad. Then again I always use headphones when playing games. Drop your CPU down to 3.0, 3.1, or 3.2GHz and drop voltage 100mV, and limit FPS to 58 (seems to be best without tearing) with nVidiaInspector and it runs at 75-78C and also keeps fan speed down as well. I run my CPU at 3GHz now (3 and 4 core) and everything runs pretty cool and quiet. I still leave my 1 and 2 core at 3.7 and 3.6GHz respectively because one or two cores loaded up don't affect temperature so much, and good for desktop stuff.
     
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    Hi this is my first post so please forgive me if I break any rules or maybe this should have been posted somewhere else.

    And GREAT POST HTWN!!!!!!

    I am thinking of getting Clevo W230ST from Mythlogic (chaos 1313) I have the following questions:

    I am using this laptop for travelling so lite excel, PowerPoint, email and wed surfing. Also want to play BF3 and Star Craft II at ultra.

    My concerns: heat and Battery Life

    My questions are:

    CPU - 4800, 4700 or 4702 (if budget is not an issue) I read from the this post and some other post saying that

    1. 4800 and 4900 might be thermally limited and won't be able to use the CPU at full potential. Does that mean even without any overclocking and tweaks? Or does this mean these CPUs can't be overclocked safely and keeping temps relatively cool due to the small chassis?

    2. I also read from somewhere that, yes the 4702 uses less power and cooler but if compared with a 4800, due to slower speed of the 4702, it will take more time for the 4702 to process the same information vs the 4800 thus not much power will be saved? Similar logic applies to heat, due to increased time for the 4702 to process the same data, because it takes 4702 longer thus the temp will actually be higher because the CPU will run at larger load for longer. And heat is really higher when the CPU is at high loads.

    Power supply 120W vs 180W

    1. I also own a P150EM and I have two 180W power supplies. Can I use the 180 Power supply on my w230ST safely? I get some say yes and some say no. I even have someone from sales say that it will void the warranty if I use the 180W because it is not good for the MB?

    Configuration
    So with my uses and concerns does the following configuration make sense? Anything I should change?


    CPU: Intel Core i7-4800MQ 2.7GHz, 6M L3 Cache, 22nm, DDR3L-1600MHz, Quad-Core Mobile Processor
    - Q: Thinking of 4702 vs 4800
    I think I am okay with tweaks and OC but rather just run things at stock if I have to choose.

    System Memory: 16GB (2 x 8GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM
    - Q: Would 8mb 1866 be a better choice?

    mSATA Solid State Drive: Samsung PM841 (840 Pro) 512GB mSATA Solid State Drive

    Hard Drive: 1TB 7200 32MB Cache SATA Notebook Hard Drive
    - Q: Thinking of 1TB 7200 32mb or 1TB 5400 8mb or 1T 5400 64mb Hybird

    Video Adapter: NVIDIA 765M
    Thermal Compound: Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
    Network Card: Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000 Mbits/sec) LAN subsystem
    Wireless Card: Intel Centrino Advanced-AC 7260 2*2 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + BT 4.0 350/867MB Total Bandwidth
    Bluetooth: Integrated Bluetooth 4.0

    Thank you in advance for your help.
     
  10. HTWingNut

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    This really means the system reaches TDP quickly. You can still maintain higher clocks than the 4702 for strictly CPU intensive tasks, although still recommend undervolting to achieve best maintained clock speed.

    Yes and no. See my answer above. If you tune your CPU you can achieve 3.2-3.3GHz no issue with intense GPU use. You can achieve 3.5-3.6GHz strictly using the GPU with a slight undervolt and a little extra cooling can't hurt. In any case I recommend propping up the back of the laptop.

    You technically can, the barrel connectors fit. The only difference is the P150EM is 19V and W230ST is 19.5V. It should still work fine. Just don't, ahem, admit you used it if anything goes wrong. To be honest I see 19V and 19.5V adapters used interchangeably all the time.

    4702 if you don't want to fuss with tweaking. I run mine at 3GHz right now, and I believe the 4702MQ runs 3.0GHz with 4 cores as well. Just the 4702MQ should run a little bit cooler at load. As noted above only if you run CPU intensive tasks you can gain about 15% performance improvement.

    16GB DDR3 1600 is perfect. You can very little from 1866MHz RAM except for the integrated GPU.

    Please consider at least one mSATA SSD, 128GB minimum and also use a regular 5400RPM HDD for storage. The difference in performance is staggering, and for +$100 for the mSATA drive is more than worth the price, even if you have to buy it yourself and install it.
     
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