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  1. speakerdamage

    speakerdamage Notebook Enthusiast

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    @Artkidtek

    Sorry to break into this thread as an HP Zbook Studio G3 owner.

    Zbook Studio G3, FHD, i7 6700hq, 16Gb RAM, 256 Gb Zturbo drive (Samsung SM951).
    I'm running Windows 7, 64 bit.

    I have a question for you...

    Yesterday I did install the 512 Gb Samsung Pro 950 NVMe SSD in the second M.2 slot.
    This resulted into very, very slow booting times.

    This has to do with the NVMe drivers which are installed under 'storage controllers', which you can find in the device manager.

    Windows automatically installs the Windows NVMe drivers (from 2006 > yes, these are the latest) and are needed for the already supplied Samsung SM951 (Zturbo drive).
    But the Samsung 950 Pro needs the latest Samsung NVMe driver.
    If I install this Samsung driver, both of the slots are now running with this driver.
    And yes, again the very same, slow booting times.

    Something goes very wrong somewhere.

    Don't know I have to adjust some settings in the BIOS.

    Did you already install your Samsung 950 pro?
    And if you did, how did you configure your system running both NVMe SSD's smoothly?

    Hope you can help me out . . .


    Kind regards,

    Sander
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2016
  2. Artkidtek

    Artkidtek Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm sorry to hear about your booting issue. It sounds like you spent A good amount of money on your equipment it must be frustrating to not have it work properly. However, I havent even ordered my 950 SSD yet but after reading your post I'm now hesitant. Call HP and speak to a Zbook specialist they should be more helpful than I am. Sorry bro let me know if things work out for you.
     
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    speakerdamage Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for your quick reply.
    Tomorrow I'm going to call HP about this.
    I'll keep you posted about this.

    I did read in the Zbook Studio owners review that @Billy Cantor did install this drive properly, alongside his Zdrive into his Zbook Studio.
    I did ask him about it in that thread.
    Don't know how to send private messages... Seems that he hasn't been on the forums lately.

    Talk to you later...
     
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    speakerdamage Notebook Enthusiast

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    @Artkidtek
    I've had contact with HP support today, but the person I spoke to wasn't very helpful.
    He sad that if the accessory wasn't in the list of spare parts, HP wouldn't officially support it.
    I asked him: "What if I had a Zturbo drive. How would I configure the drive?"
    He didn't answer that question.

    I also can't find any settings for hard drive options in the BIOS.

    Also I've sent @Billy Cantor a direct message, but he doesn't seem to be around much lately.
    So, no answer yet unfortunately.

    I wonder if I better send this 950 Pro back and order a SM951 instead.
    Seems this is the exact same unit used in the Zbook G3 series.

    I think the Samsung SM951 is a better bet for now.
    Samsung SM951 MZVPV512HDGL m.2 PCI-e, 512 GB or Samsung SM951 MZVPV256HDGL m.2 PCI-e, 256 GB
    Just be sure you order the NVMe version of this SM951 units.
    This units are also available as AHCI.
    As far as I understand the HP Z Turbo drive uses NVMe technique.

    See for reference: http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-ZBook-15u-G3-Workstation-Review.160815.0.html

    That's all the info I can find about this.

    Hope it helps . . .
     
  5. win32asmguy

    win32asmguy Moderator Moderator

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    I think Billy was using Windows 10 Pro on his Zbook Studio which is likely able to run each drive with a specific driver. You could try loading it before sending back your 950 Pro. Otherwise I would probably say just go with a SM951, as they generally seem more stable and supported by the included OS drivers. I have a 256GB ACHI SM951 on the way that I am going to play around on next week.
     
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    speakerdamage Notebook Enthusiast

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    @win32asmguy
    Hi. Thanks for your reply.
    I know Billy was using Windows 10 Pro.

    Yesterday I've upgraded to Windows 10 Pro as well, but that didn't work out. same driver issues.

    Booting up is taking just a little more than 2 minutes now since I've added the 950 Pro in the second slot, with both the standard Windows NVMe driver and the dedicated Samsung 950 Pro NVMe drivers and on both operating systems (Win 7 Pro 64 bit and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit).

    When I took advantage of getting back to Windows 7, there was an error report: nvme.sys... Can't repair computer.
    Luckily I could restore an earlier made image of the system.

    Maybe it's because Billy is on a Xeon processor and has another motherboard.

    I still haven't found out about BIOS settings for setting up RAID or AHCI.
    There seems to be no possibillities to set up the 2 hard drives... Only the boot order.
    Also UEFI mode doesn't show any hard drive at all.

    Maybe I have to reset everything back to factory settings and install the factory image first to have a new starting point.

    Thanks for reading...
     
  7. Artkidtek

    Artkidtek Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for sharing this very valuable information. I'm definitely staying with Windows 7 because of the software I use which isn't stable on Windows 10 yet. So the 950 looks like a no-go for me.
    However, you reported issues with boot speed. What if I kept my 951 as my boot drive and then installed the 950 as my secondary PCIe SSD, will I still have any issues?
     
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    speakerdamage Notebook Enthusiast

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    @Artkidtek

    Hi.
    That's the exact config I have now.
    Doesn't work with my Zbook Studio G3.

    During boot up the computer is searching for the right nvme driver. Because the SM951 uses only the Windows NVMe driver and the 950 Pro must have his dedicated Samsung driver installed. But as far as I know now the storage controllers can either use the Samsung or the Windows driver. With installing the Samsung driver (it's an installer .exe) you alter the storage controller of the built in SM951 too. If you deinstall the dedicated Samsung 950 Pro NVMe driver, than Windows automatically detects the hardware again and installs the Windows driver for both controllers.

    But @Billy Cantor has it working under his Xeon on Windows 10.

    So, I really can't advice you what to do yet.

    Maybe you can inform with your HP Customer Support...
     
  9. purezerg

    purezerg Notebook Consultant

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    anyone here has got thunderbolt networking working for them? it seems that the chipset for thunderbolt in zbooks has very limited connectivity.
    so far I haven't been able to connect to QNAP.
    the only devices that had been able to connect are
    1) apple's firewire adapter
    2) lacie PCIe SSD
    3) akitio dual HDD
    3) via apple's firewire, phaseone IQ180 and h4D, h5d hasseblad.
    4) dell 2713H
    5) z27x screen
    6) daisy chain 2713H
    7) Black Magic BMPC 4k
    8) intensity shuttle
     
  10. Comal

    Comal Notebook Consultant

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    Still no Dreamcolor option in configure to order.
     
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