HP Spectre x360 13 (Late 2019; Ice Lake) Owner's Thread

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  1. Skylake_

    Skylake_ Notebook Consultant

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    Surprisingly, despite the provisional delivery date (20th December), yesterday I received my unit and... I instantly looked for the claimed "screen door effect".

    There it is. But, in my opinion, is not as bad as expecting (ok, there shouldn't be any at all) and you are going to see it only if staying as close as the mouse pad, more or less, and fortunally only on bright colors.

    In my opinion it is a minor effect compared to a Full HD pixel array.

    Generally speaking, it appears to me like a grainy anti glare coating. I'm not completely happy about the display because of that, but I can live with it, and I don't think it is affecting the sharpness or the resolution of the display with thin fonts and lines, but I will investigate further. Colors are astonishing. I expected a bit more brightness but probably it has ambient light detection and is limiting something?
     
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  2. ikjadoon

    ikjadoon Notebook Deity

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    That's awesome! I think HP's moving a lot of the units now, as mine just got an updated date: previously was Dec 16 shipping -> Dec 26 delivery. Now it's Dec 13 shipping -> Dec 19 delivery!

    Congratulations on receiving the first one so far in our thread!

    All right, that's very valuable feedback. It's a good sign it's less prominent than expected; only some reviewers have commented on it, which fits that view. And, yup: 166 PPI vs 322 PPI. Definitely crisper, I imagine. It's disappointing it's even there, but it is OLED, too. Let's say there are reasons for both options, but OLED is king for content consumption.

    On the brightness: for an OLED, I'd call it "average" brightness (which probably helps retain battery life). I'm not aware of any ambient light detection, but there could be. If it's not in HP's settings or the BIOS, have you tried Mobility Center? Right-click the bottom-left corner of the screen and find it at the top.

    On my Dell Inspiron, I've got a setting here for it (it's just too erratic, but it also does limit the peak brightness, too):

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    Skylake_ Notebook Consultant

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    Just don't focus on it... because it's annoying and it shouldn't be there; it's not as clean as my Galaxy AMOLED display, but at the same time the behaviour is completely different from a IPS.

    In these days I have to decide if the dot matrix layer is acceptable or not (so, I will keep it or return) . For sure not the smoothest experience I expected.
     
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    ikjadoon Notebook Deity

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    I agree. :( It's frustrating it's even landed in a $200 option. There will be teething pains for 13" OLED panels, but this issue bites because I only ever expected battery life & burn-in as the negatives. This panel's brightness & digitizer leave a little and a lot desired if they're that noticeable.

    Agreed. I've told myself the same on its flaws; if it's not good, I'll just get a refund (as I don't think HP considers the digitizer "broken" or "unexpected": it seems like it's just designed that way). Then, I might as well just wait for Tiger Lake next year (or if AMD can get its head in the laptop game) if my Inspiron can keep its keyboard working. Maybe HP needs a few OLED generations under their belt (or maybe microLED will come). It's a definitely personal decision and there's good reasons both ways. (unrelated: if I do refund and return this system, maybe I can "transfer" this thread to another OP?? Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Hopefully people who keep the system can still use this thread).

    I think I'll add a "personal experiences / reviews" section to the first post, too, so everyone else what reviewers likely didn't notice or didn't care about.

    Thank you for updating. Good luck in deciding.
     
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    Skylake_ Notebook Consultant

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    Ok for now it seems to be that during normal use the dot pattern doesn't frustate so much; it becomes annoying when you are drawing on a white surface and obviously in that situation you are near the display, so the pattern is clearly visible. The pixel definition is not affected, but you are not perceiving a clear surface as it should be. Probably is still a better situation than the moirè effect perceived with a Full HD, but is... sad.

    Oh, my machine seemed to be delivered in a unripe state, because the day after the first boot I had to wait several minutes to let the PC do the BIOS Update (Automatically downloaded and installed without my permission!!!); sometimes I have problems with the Wi-Fi which losts connection, and the pen sensitivity was too low. But... I can't stand the "jitter complain", because it's true that, in certain situations, if you draw very slow and with the pen tilted, it draws a drunk line, but if you hold the pen more perpendicular in respect of the display and-or you draw with more pressure or faster, there is absolutely no problem, and I don't think people will draw very short lines very slow... they probably will draw faster or zoom in to enlarge the zone which they want to draw in.

    So, a problem gone away after this investigation.
    BUT... They don't provide a software which you can modify sensitivity with! Surface app doesn't work… Oh gosh… I want more sensitivity.

    Colours are beautiful, even better after custom probe calibration, expecially blue shines. And now the "switch off the light" plugins for browsers make a lot of sense! I love to browse YouTube with Dark Themes, webpages in dark... I think reading books with black background is not healthy...? but solves two problems : you don't see dots and you save a lot of energy and led lifetime.

    So, I literally fall in love with the 2 in 1 world with Amoled display. I'm uncertain about keeping this guy or sending it back (right of withdrawal in Italy lasts 14 day since delivery) and trying a Surface Pro for another month, but I already know that a Surface hasn't the same handy hinge configuration that lets the tablet to be used as a tent or reversed with a customizable angle (very nice to watch films far from the PC, for instance), and in this way the Spectre is very nice.

    ... It seems to be that there are few 2 in 1 Amoled PCs: Lenovo Yoga C730 Amoled, which is unavailable at the moment, and the 13" and 15" HPs. (Are we sure that the Yoga panel isn't affected by "chickenpox" on the screen?).

    Other possibilities?

    I don't like IPS for tablet use and their poor black level, and there is also the back-light bleeding problem from strong angle of view.
    I don't understand the complaints about white of the OLED: even IPS are not perfect from this point of view.

    The perfect machine would be a 16:10 display (13"-14" to have enough room to draw - 13" has more or less the same length of an A4 sheet and is a very handy format) with touch OLED and 360° hinges.
     
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    Looks like hp.com has this starting at $800 today (i5/8GB/256GB). That's $50 less than the lowest I've seen so far. Today's the last day for the 20% off offer via Chase Ink business cards (hp charges right away, not upon shipping). Tempting.
     
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    I've added 2-3 new reviews & videos today: Verge & PCWorld. The PCWorld video finally mentions that the default Optane drive is actually a QLC drive.
     
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    I just received mine during the weekend. I bought it for 1500 CAD(=1130 USD) on HP Canada online store. Our home computer died two weeks ago and we needed something to replace our beloved macbook pro 2014... I convinced my wife that we could get much better specs for less with a PC! FYI Macbook pro in Canada costs 2000 CAD!

    HP Spectre x360 13 (Late 2019)
    • CPU: i5-1035G4
    • RAM: 8 GB
    • Display: IPS FHD: 1W low-power IPS WLED panel, 400 nits (1920x1080).
    • Storage: Intel H10 QLC/Optane SSD: 512 GB + 32 GB
    • Color: Natural Silver

    I really like the keyboard. I use a 3yr old Precision 5510(aka XPS 15) for Work and that white keyboard looks so much better. The trackpad is not bad, but it has a slight depression before it actually clicks. It's not too annoying, but you can kind of feel it move especially in the lower zone.

    I've never used tablet mode before, so I'm very confused at the menus. Not sure I'll use it as a tablet much.

    There is an Optane process(Intel Optane Service ?) using about 20%CPU intermitently. It's not too annoying, but kinda makes the computer run hot sometimes.

    Battery life seems pretty good especially for normal day to day use. I expect >10hr of browsing/watching videos easy.

    Pen is a gadget, I wouldn't use it for professional work.
     
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    Skylake_ Notebook Consultant

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    I have many problems using the pen, and I'm angry because it lacks a pen control panel which you can set sensivity in.

    There is the standard Windows Ink section that allows to change buttons, but no sensivity slider.
    The pen tends to miss the beginning of the input sometimes and Windows seems to be confused about palm touch despite the setting is to ignore touch input when the pen is near the PC. I can suppose that sometimes the system doesn't see the pen for a very short time and picks up the touch input.

    I want to format and reinstall the system to see if that's a driver issue.

    I tried my schoolmate's Surface and, despite it has some jitter too, it feels way better (the pen itself is nicer) and slightly more sensitive.
     
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    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It looks like HP moved the Pen Control App to the Microsoft Store:
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/h...h=1&wa=wsignin1.0&activetab=pivot:overviewtab

    If your pen isn't supported complain to HP, it looks like others have to no avail... but I'd keep trying to work with HP - open support tickets until they update the app.

    HP Pen Contol App not compatible with Hp ENVY x360 15m-dr0012dx
    https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Noteb...compatible-with-Hp-ENVY-x360-15m/td-p/7339382

    Yup, the Pen Control App is still from 2017 in this 3rd party support area:
    http://www.laptopdriverslib.com/2019/11/hp-spectre-x360-13-ae091ms-drivers.html

    ‎09-16-2019 12:59 AM
    Check for Windows updates in your settings and make sure it is up-to-date and restarted. Still if it didn't solve the issue then install driver from following link:
    https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp82001-82500/sp82491.exe
    It worked for me.

    That was from:
    https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Noteb...download-Hp-Pen-Control-Software/td-p/7003750

    Good luck, and please come back and let us know what you find that works for you. :)
     
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