HP Omen 15 (5XXX series) Gaming Notebook

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  1. necrophyte

    necrophyte Notebook Evangelist

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    i posted a thread on the omen in the envy/hdx forum yesterday, since i thought that would be the most suitable subforum for this omen notebook, and didnt find the omen anywhere mentioned in that and the pavillion subforum - my mistake i didnt take a look into the umbrella HP forum, where this thread is.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-envy-hdx/765103-hp-omen-gaming-notebook.html

    i am really disappointed... looks just like another fail as the envy line became after the 3200 series. details mentioned in my thread.

    i am still stuck with my old envy 17 3d 1195ea, which still works amazingly well for every day usage and gaming 2-3+ years old games except the most demanding ones, except that it overheats every 3-6 weeks so i have to repaste the cpu and gpu newly, because the space between the heatsink and the chips is too big, since one cannot apply different pressure using the screws, which makes the thermal paste dry out and crumble away after several weeks of temps above 90°C, which is average while gaming. and as soon as the cpu reaches 100°C and gpu 104°C, they throttle down (didnt experience a shutdown, which occurs at 103°C for the cpu and 107°C for the gpu since ive been repasting it, but before that using stock cooling it was orrible). although when the paste is freshly applied, i can do anything on the notebook except gaming with great temps (for the envy 1000-series) of 75-85°C, gaming between 90 and 96°C, which is ok as well, until it gets higher, when it starts throttling down and needs a repaste again.

    does anybody know whether it would be wiser to put in a thermal pad, since it is much thicker? or would it be a good idea to cut an appropriate sized copper plate and put it between the chips and the heatsink, and then apply thermal paste on both sides of it, ie. between it and the chips, as well as between it and the heatsink? this would make the pressure the heatsink is applied to the chips definitely stronger, hence making the space between tinier and hopefully the thermal paste wouldnt crumble away that fast anymore.. btw im using gelid gc extreme, and my notebook is perfectly clean and free of dust, im cleaning it weekly.

    now with that omen disappointment and the disgusting envy k/q/j and whatever series, im waiting for the zbooks to get maxwell-based quadros, so i can get back to the HP business line, which is definitely the best i have ever had, even better than lenovo which i have to use for work.
     
  2. VonCrisp

    VonCrisp Notebook Evangelist

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    Necrophyte,

    Am sporting an Envy 17 2xxx 3D.

    Am on my 3rd mobo / fan/ heatsink.

    We have a pretty detailed thread in the Envy forum on heatsink replacements (since the alcohol inside of them also degrades). I would seriously advise that you have a look.

    And yes a copper pad > thermal pad. Just made sure that it is absolutely flat. You will need to sand it etc. One 17 2xxx user tried to put a 3 pipe heatsink on his laptop that had a raised corner. 2 GPUs gone because when the chip expanded it hit the corner.

    So the most important part is that it is just the right thickness and smooth as glass! : )

    ps .. I share your feelings about the brand name and the current line up (with the business line being from another world).

    Rahul Sood started a new company and there might be a chance that he will make Voodoo laptops again etc.
     
  3. necrophyte

    necrophyte Notebook Evangelist

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    Thank you, I will definitely take a look since now it's again time for a repaste due to overheating the last week. You mean the envy 2xxx owners' thread? I thought only the 1xxx series had major heat issues and from 2000 on it became better?

    My envy 17 3d 1195ea is still with stock hardware, except for the hdd, ram, display and keyboard, having replaced the latter two after display cracked and keyboard started to stroke some keys constantly and acting weird some 2 years ago (which was the only heat induced damage so far, since mostly the left part was affected where it's hottest). But my mobo, heat sink, fan etc are still stock, and I got the notebook in early 2011, and everything works flawlessly except for the heat issues.

    What do you mean by alcohol inside (inside the heatsink? since after each repaste the temps are great, I doubt that the heatsink or fan has to be replaced) and copper pad (to be put between the chip and the heatsink instead of thermal paste?)? And what do you mean by sanding it?

    thanks!
     
  4. VonCrisp

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    Whilst the 2xxx is much much cooler it is normal that a heatpipe degrades over time. (as does the artic paste)

    But some users liked to get even better temperatures than available ; ).

    Sorry I meant the alcohol type solution within the copper "pipe" that connects the heatsink to the fan.

    You mention there being space between the heatsink and the GPU and you want to put in a copper plate.
    If the copper plate that you want to put in between GPU and heatsink is not smooth and level it might cause the GPU to crack. Under heat the GPU expands in size and if there is an uneven surface it might cause the chip to unevenly press into the copper, leading to a crack.

    This is why I advise sanding it down to make sure that it is perfectly even. There are some tutorials online I believe but it is best to check what other users have done for the 17 1xxx.
     
  5. necrophyte

    necrophyte Notebook Evangelist

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    ok thanks!

    ive just been reading through numerous posts in the 2xxx owners' thread, and now i know what youre talking about.

    well, as i said, i think my heatsink and those copper pipes are ok, since every time i do a repaste job, the temps are great for a while. i am pretty sure my biggest problem is the space between the copper plate at the end of the copper pipes that is screwed onto the die using the 4 (cpu) resp. 3 (gpu) screws on the heatsink. it is just too big, like 0.75mm or so, compared to a desktop one where its maybe 0.1mm when you screw it fully onto each other.

    for this reason, the thermal paste, no matter how good it is - and gelid gc extreme is great - has to be applied quite thick to fill this space, and this makes it dry out and crumble away quite fast. so my intention is to somehow fill this gap between the heatsink and the die or try to lower it, although no idea how, since the screws are fixed and there is no way to alter their height except between fully unscrewed and fully screwed, which is still not tight enough :/
    if i try to put a copper plate in between, ill surely make sure it is perfectly clean and even to avoid bending etc.

    though i wont experiment much anymore now and risk damaging anything, rather do some 2-3 more repaste jobs, since they last for 1-3 months mostly, and i just need to bridge these few more months until the zbooks get some decent new hardware, or a miracle happens and HP manages to make a real gaming 17'' omen w/ a 120hz display and gtx970/980 etc.
     
  6. pizzasogood

    pizzasogood Notebook Consultant

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    I'm afraid of waiting too long to purchase my Omen laptop as build and shipping dates on HP's online shop are becoming longer as time goes on, most likely due to the holiday season. It might make better sense to wait until after the new year to get one. It is probably unlikely we'll see new models with further upgrade options within the next 3-4 months unless someone here knows HP's product rhythm?

    PS I'm sure there will be an Omen 17 coming out soon. Fingers crossed for those who want a 17" machine.
     
  7. necrophyte

    necrophyte Notebook Evangelist

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    yea i hope they release a 17'' omen as a pendant to my old envy 17 3d - 120hz display, high-end newest gen gpu and cpu (gtx860m is neither, i7-4710hq maybe as the base confg) and several other points mentioned..

    btw my old envy is freshly repasted and temps since boot havent exceeded 65°C, which is 20-25°C less than it was 2 hours ago after equal load :)
     
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  8. VonCrisp

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    Congrats!

    It is indeed very hard to go back to anything else after the 120 Hz screen. I don't game much on the 6850m these days but it seems like AMD is dropping support soon for the 5xxx and 6xxx series. The newest drivers are somewhat of a mess.

    Lets hope someone offers a good replacement even if it won't be an Omen 17. I quite like the idea of an external GPU like that new Alienware.

    Shame that alienwares design is still stuck in the 90s. I mean huge plastic aliens heads?!?!? They could do so much with that brand.... But they choose to go down the fisher price route.

    Either way a good and powerful Omen 17 with external graphics possibility would be welcome.
     
  9. OfficerVajardian

    OfficerVajardian Notebook Enthusiast

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    In your thread, you mention:

    The main reason why HP probably made it one CPU option and not others, is probably because they would fry the machine. There's a reason why many thin and light laptops have soldered CPUs w/ 1 or 2 options. If you wanna put a MX CPU, you're insane. The thing would just blow up.

    As for the OS, Win 8.1 works better with touchscreens than Win 7 so... Yeah. If you really wanted Win 7, go install it yourself.

    The GPU is actually a Maxwell Architecture, if you read their site properly. HP was probably building this before the 900m series came out, so that's why they still have a 860m inside. The main reason why they probably didn't want to change it to an 970m or 980m, is probably:

    1) Throttling
    2) The price would go up to $1800-2100 range, thus driving quite a bit consumers who don't have that much money to spend on a laptop.

    I agree with you on the SSD part, wish they would have an option for an HDD, so that even MOAR people can buy it.

    A 860m wouldn't be able to run at high fps with a 3K/4K screen, therefore the best option is for 1080p. As for the touchscreen, some people simply want to do more than game, you know.
     
  10. pizzasogood

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    Do we know this is missing a 2.5" drive bay? I would be very sad if so.

    Edit: I just called HP to find out and it does have a standard sized hard drive bay, HOWEVER, it doesn't look like its easy to open up as opposed to the Pavilion and Envy computers with the door to access the components according to the sales rep who sounded like he knew what he was talking about, thank goodness. He was able to actually look at the Omen in person and confirm that for me. Very interesting... He suggested I wait a bit to see if there are any teardown videos that will be posted online just to get a better idea, but he said it seemed like the machine had a snap-on body configuration and no visible screws. This is unfortunate as I may want to upgrade a hard drive or memory in the future, say.
     
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