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HP L2000 / Compaq V2000z / Compaq v2335 Comparison Review (pics, specs)

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    by Dan, California USA

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    This is going to be a comparison review more than in depth into each model, and attribute.&nbsp; As testing began it was obvious the <A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?productID=13005&amp;productFamilyID=618&amp;brandID=8&amp;display=priceDetail" ><STRONG>HP L2000</STRONG></A> and <A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?productID=13026&amp;productFamilyID=488&amp;brandID=3&amp;display=priceDetail" ><STRONG>Compaq V2000Z</STRONG></A> are essentially the same, so benchmarks and performance sections will compare the V2000Z and the <A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?productID=9634&amp;productFamilyID=488&amp;brandID=3&amp;display=priceDetail" ><STRONG>V2335US</STRONG></A>, while the style and aesthetics sections will compare the Compaq V2000 machines to the HP L2000.&nbsp;

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    HP L2000 on the left, Compaq v2000z on the right (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5785.jpg" >larger</A>)

    I am going to list any prices before taxes to keep it simple.&nbsp; Add your own taxes as needed.

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    <STRONG>HP L2000 and Compaq V2000Z:</STRONG>

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  2. AMD Turion 64 ML-37 (2.0GHz/1MB L2 Cache)
  3. 512MB DDR SDRAM (1x512MB) &nbsp;(tested with 2x512MB)
  4. 60 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
  5. DVD+/-RW/R &amp; CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support
  6. ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/productivity ports
  7. 54g Integ. Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN &amp; Bluetooth
  8. 14.0" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x768)
  9. Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with SP2
  10. Microsoft Works/Money
  11. 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
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    Two AMD Turion Notebooks being hatched, the v2000z (left)&nbsp;and L2000 (right) (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5783.jpg" >larger</A>)

    <STRONG>Compaq V2335US:</STRONG>

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  13. <SPAN>Pentium M 750, with Centrino Technology</SPAN> (1.86GHz/2MB L2 Cache)
  14. 1GB DDR SDRAM (2x512MB)
  15. 100 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
  16. DVD+/-RW/R &amp; CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support
  17. Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900
  18. Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG WLAN &amp; Bluetooth(TM)
  19. 14.0 WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x768)
  20. Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Pro Edition with SP2
  21. Microsoft(R) Works/Money
  22. 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
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    <STRONG>Reasons for Buying</STRONG>

    My daily workhorse, a Compaq n400c (700MHz P3, 512, 12.1", 20GB) had to be replaced.&nbsp; While very the n400c was very light, had decent battery life and was solidly built, the lack of optical drive had become a hindrance.&nbsp; And it's just plain old.&nbsp; So it was time to find a new laptop, one with an optical drive, more screen space, Bluetooth and Firewire.&nbsp; Battery life needed to be up to encoding live video at remote locations where power may not always be available.

    I set my sights on the HP/Compaq family of 14-inch screen notebooks.&nbsp; The logic was that I could use my existing Compaq AC adaptors and car chargers which are compatible.&nbsp; Furthermore, with AMD and HP in my stock portfolio I thought I'd test out what I had invested in.&nbsp; With the AMD powered notebooks I liked the fact the 64-bit processor would allow room for OS upgrades down the road.

    <STRONG>Where and How Purchased</STRONG>

    On July 1<SUP>st</SUP> I placed an order for a v2000z from Costco, and an identical L2000 from HPShopping.com as there were no models in retail stores at the time to base my decision.&nbsp; The L2000 totaled $1168, the v2000z &nbsp;$1102.&nbsp; They both arrived FedEx the same day 10 days later.&nbsp; HP supplied tracking info, Costco did not.

    Within an hour of the laptops arriving, I was so surprised by the heat they both generated that I went to CompUSA and purchased a v2335us for $1379 that came with $180 in rebates, so the net price was $1200.&nbsp; While there the salesman explained how the "Turion is much better" and I should buy an L2005 they carry, until he realized they were out of stock, and he then all of a sudden he was more than happy sell me the v2335us I wanted!&nbsp;&nbsp; That seemed like a great deal, even though they likely gouged for the 1GB that was included, and the 4200rpm drive it came with will need to be sold and upgraded (so it's not a bottleneck for overall performance) which will cost me money.

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    HP L2000 lid with LiveStrong branding displayed (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5801.jpg" >larger</A>)

    After my trip to CompUSA I all of a sudden in the space of a day had 3 new laptops when I only needed one.&nbsp; In my possession now were the HP L2000 (AMD powered), Compaq v2000z (AMD powered) and Compaq v2335us (Intel powered).&nbsp; But only one could stay as a keeper.&nbsp; I pushed and poked and ran benchmarks on each laptop to get the results for a winner.&nbsp; And with 3 laptops in my hands, an AMD versus Intel battle, I figured it was a good time to do a review!

    <STRONG>Form &amp; Design</STRONG>

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    Compaq v2000 atop HP L2000 (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5776.jpg" >larger image</A>)

    All three laptops have the same exact shell.&nbsp; The L2000 has a slightly different keyboard (more on that later), and has splashes of yellow over its black case and black keyboard.&nbsp; The two Compaq's are silver, with light grey keyboards, black lids and bases.&nbsp; In my opinion, the all black look of the L2000, even with the ugly yellow (most of which can be removed), is the clear winner in aesthetics.&nbsp; Using one color ties the laptop together, and gives it a much more professional look.

    When it came to weighing the various laptops there was one surprise, and I can't explain it.&nbsp; All were weighed with <B>no battery</B>, 2x512MB Simms, empty CD-Rom.&nbsp; Why the V2000Z is one ounce heavier I don't know.

    Weight measurements for each laptop as weighed by author:

    • 3lbs Compaq N400c
    • 4lbs 12.4oz&nbsp; HP L2000
    • 4lbs 12.5oz Compaq V2335US
    • 4lbs 13.7oz Compaq V2000Z

    The 6-cell battery was 11oz and the 12cell battery was 1lb 6oz.&nbsp; The battery from the n400c was a mere 8oz.&nbsp; So equipped with a 6-cell in each of these notebooks you are looking at 5.5 lbs of weight, and a 12-cell battery puts you up past 6lbs.

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    The 12-cell battery causes the notebook to be raised and sloped more (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5771.jpg" >larger</A>)

    Winner: L2000/V2335US

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    L2000 memory module access and battery area access (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5765.jpg" >larger</A>)

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    <STRONG>Screen</STRONG>

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    HP L2000 on the left, Compaq v2000 on the right -- same screens literally! (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5811.jpg" >larger</A>)

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    (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5813.jpg" >larger</A>)

    All three laptops had the same 14" BrightView widescreen with a native resolution of 1280x768.&nbsp; Both Compaq machines had one pixel out, the L2000 had zero bad pixels.&nbsp; The shiny surface of the screen took a minute to get used to, but for free or a $25 upgrade it's the way to go -- I highly recommend this option.

    The first thing to do with these notebooks to improve screen appearance is turn OFF the Windows ClearType setting, why that is on by default I don't know, I can't stand it.

    No winner -- a three way tie.

    <STRONG>Speakers<BR></STRONG>

    All three units share the same speakers, even with the different sound cards, I couldn't tell any difference when playing MP3s or DVDs.

    They are a huge step up from the tiny speaker on my n400c, and impressive for a laptop in my eyes (or ears I suppose I should say?).

    No winner -- a three way tie.

    <STRONG>Processor and Performance (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com//default.asp?newsID=2456" >view screenshots for system processor and specs here</A>)</STRONG>

    Each machine took about 30 seconds to get from the pushing of the power button to on to the Windows welcome screen.

    The AMD powered notebooks, the L2000 and v2000z, were handled by a 2.0GHz Turion (Lancaster) ML-37 processor.&nbsp; The Compaq v2335 was moved along by an Intel Pentium M 750 processor clocking in at 1.86GHz.&nbsp; The specs are detailed below.&nbsp; From the photos you can see a slightly different fan setup between the Intel and the AMD machines.

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    Compaq v2000 fan

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    L2000 fan

    Both processors sit down at 800MHz while idle in portable/laptop power mode.&nbsp; For browsing, word processing and most normal activity the processors both stayed down at 800MHz of clock speed, which as we will see later saves a lot of battery life, while maintaining very acceptable performance.

    The AMD laptops carried Fujitsu 60GB 5400rpm drives, a nice balance of performance, speed and capacity.

    The V2335 came with a Toshiba 100GB 4200rpm drive, which I did not find noticeably slower.&nbsp; The capacity is overkill for me, as I don't store content on the laptop.&nbsp; If I keep the V2335 I will pull it, sell it, and buy an Hitachi 7k60 7200rpm drive for not much more than I will likely be able to sell the Toshiba drive.&nbsp; For me speed wins over capacity when it comes to encoding.

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    Heat sensor used to take heat measurements (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5819.jpg" >larger</A>)

    I pulled the 512MB out of the L2000 and put it in the V2000Z so the Compaq battle was fairer.&nbsp; I think 1GB is the place to be on a laptop that loses 128MB to the shared video memory.&nbsp; It makes sense to order the 512MBx1 with the laptop, and throw in a $40/$50 stick of memory from Newegg.com.&nbsp; I don't suggest ordering it configured with 1GB as HP is always going to charge more than an online retailer in the business of just selling memory, and it's simple to install memory so you might as well take that route to save money.

    As you will see from the benchmarks, these are not gaming laptops.&nbsp; Just like I don't take my Dell PC tower on the airplane, I don't play games on laptops.&nbsp; If you want a small gaming laptop start reading another review.

    <STRONG>Benchmarks</STRONG>

    I've included all the benchmarks, as that's what a comparison review is all about.&nbsp; Take your time comparing what you see as important.&nbsp; For me it's the encoding scores that garner interest, as well as the battery tests.&nbsp; I loaded the AMD with 2 512MB sticks to keep it fair, so both units ran with 1GB RAM.&nbsp; Both models were tested with a 12-cell battery installed.

    <STRONG>Super Pi:</STRONG>

    I ran the Super Pi test&nbsp;to calculate how long it took each processor to calculate Pi to 2 million digits both before and after running Windows Update, I say that because the results may surprise you.

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    Before Windows Update

    </TD> <TD>

    After Windows Update

    </TD> <TD>

    Processor

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    1min 48sec

    </TD> <TD>

    1min 48sec (same)

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    Pentium M 750 1.86GHz 1GB

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    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    1min 54sec

    </TD> <TD>

    2min 04sec (slower)

    </TD> <TD>

    Turion64 2GHz 1GB

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    L2000

    </TD> <TD>

    1min 54sec

    </TD> <TD>

    2min 06sec (slower)

    </TD> <TD>

    Turion64 2GHz 1GB

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    I don't know what Windows update did, but the AMD processor notebooks sure didn't like it, the processor calculation speed dropped by 10+ seconds, a degradation of nearly 10% performance.&nbsp; Ouch.

    Winner: Intel Pentium M based Compaq V2335

    <STRONG>PCMark04:</STRONG>

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    </TD> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>System Test Suite</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    3028 PCMarks

    </TD> <TD>

    3174 PCMarks

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Multithreaded Test 1 / File Compression</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    3.07 MB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    3.39 MB/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Multithreaded Test 1 / File</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    30.46 MB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    27.88 MB/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Multithreaded Test 2 / File Decompression</B>

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    23.81 MB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    24.28 MB/s

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    <B>Multithreaded Test 2 / Image Processing</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    12.24 MPixels/s

    </TD> <TD>

    11.02 MPixels/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Multithreaded Test 3 / Virus Scanning</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    1320.83 MB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    1663.45 MB/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Multithreaded Test 3 / Grammar Check</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    3.03 KB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    2.92 KB/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>File Decryption</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    60.63 MB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    55.85 MB/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Audio Conversion</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    2640.12 KB/s

    </TD> <TD>

    2560.89 KB/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Web Page Rendering</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    4.76 Pages/s

    </TD> <TD>

    5.65 Pages/s

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>WMV Video Compression</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    44.67 FPS

    </TD> <TD>

    45.21 FPS

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Video Compression DivX</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    46.43 FPS

    </TD> <TD>

    51.56 FPS

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Physics Calculation and 3D</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    61.09 FPS

    </TD> <TD>

    88.83 FPS

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>Graphics Memory - 64 Lines</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    378.43 FPS

    </TD> <TD>

    358.28 FPS

    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    <STRONG>3DMARK05 :</STRONG>

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    V2000Z

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    V2335

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    <B>3DMark Score</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    409 3DMarks

    </TD> <TD>

    194 3DMarks

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>CPU Score</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    2260 CPUMarks

    </TD> <TD>

    1786 CPUMarks

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>GT1 - Return To Proxycon</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    1.9 fps

    </TD> <TD>

    0.8 fps

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    <B>GT2 -</B> <B>Firefly</B> <B>Forest</B>

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    1.3 fps

    </TD> <TD>

    0.6 fps

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    <B>GT3 - Canyon Flight</B>

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    1.8 fps

    </TD> <TD>

    0.9 fps

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    <B>CPU Test 1</B>

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    1.2 fps

    </TD> <TD>

    1.1 fps

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    <B>CPU Test 2</B>

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    1.9 fps

    </TD> <TD>

    1.3 fps

    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    <STRONG>HDTune:</STRONG>

    <STRONG>

    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=left border=1> <TBODY> <TR> <TD>Measurement&nbsp;</TD> <TD>V2000Z Fujitsu 5400RPM 60GB</TD> <TD>V2335 Toshiba 4200rpm 100GB</TD></TR> <TR> <TD>Transfer Rate Minimum</TD> <TD>&nbsp;17.3 MB/sec</TD> <TD>&nbsp;13.1 MB/sec</TD></TR> <TR> <TD>Transfer Rate Maximum</TD> <TD>&nbsp;34.4 MB/sec</TD> <TD>&nbsp;28.1 MB/sec</TD></TR> <TR> <TD>Transfer Rate Average</TD> <TD>&nbsp;27.8 MB/sec</TD> <TD>&nbsp;22.4 MB/sec</TD></TR> <TR> <TD>Access Time</TD> <TD>&nbsp;17.9 ms</TD> <TD>&nbsp;18.8 ms</TD></TR> <TR> <TD>Burst Rate</TD> <TD>&nbsp;66.3 MB/sec</TD> <TD>&nbsp;62.8 MB/sec</TD></TR> <TR> <TD>CPU Usage</TD> <TD>&nbsp;5.9%</TD> <TD>&nbsp;4.3%</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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    Winner: Compaq V2000Z -- the 5400rpm makes the difference.

    <STRONG>Battery Eater Pro 2.51:</STRONG>

    I ran these tests at the native resolution of these laptops 1268x768 32bit. &nbsp;Brightness is maxed, wireless (Bluetooth and Wifi) are enabled.

    For the Classic test the "Always on" Windows power scheme is used to keep the CPU pegged at 100%.&nbsp; Screen savers are turned off, and all setting set to "never" so the machine doesn't turn off the LCD, the HD or go into standby.&nbsp; I also took some rudimentary temperature measurements from the base of the laptop (see pics).

    For the idle test, the "laptop" power scheme is used so that each processor takes advantage of it's speed stepping.

    Both machines were tested with (optional) 12cell batteries, this raises the base of the laptop up off the desk, allowing much cooler operation.

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    <B>Classic Test</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    Ambient Temp.

    </TD> <TD>

    Test time (mins)

    </TD> <TD>

    Base Temp.

    </TD> <TD>

    Total Time Est.

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    72.4

    </TD> <TD>

    30

    </TD> <TD>

    83.2

    </TD> <TD>

    2:25

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    72.0

    </TD> <TD>

    60

    </TD> <TD>

    83.0

    </TD> <TD>

    2:31

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    72.4

    </TD> <TD>

    120

    </TD> <TD>

    83.8

    </TD> <TD>

    2:26

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    72.1

    </TD> <TD>

    30

    </TD> <TD>

    81.3

    </TD> <TD>

    3:08

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    72.8

    </TD> <TD>

    60

    </TD> <TD>

    81.2

    </TD> <TD>

    3:06

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    72.9

    </TD> <TD>

    120

    </TD> <TD>

    79.5

    </TD> <TD>

    3:05

    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>

    This test shows that if you run each machine as hard as you can, you can expect the V2000Z to last just under 2 hours, while the V2335 will last another 40 minutes for just over 3 hours (on the 12 cell).&nbsp; So the AMD powered unit will result in approximately 20% less battery life when the CPU is maxed.

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    <B>Idle Test</B>

    </TD> <TD>

    Test time (mins)

    </TD> <TD>

    Total Time Est.

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    30

    </TD> <TD>

    4:14

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    60

    </TD> <TD>

    4:30

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2000Z

    </TD> <TD>

    90

    </TD> <TD>

    4:26

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    30

    </TD> <TD>

    7:06

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    60

    </TD> <TD>

    6:51

    </TD></TR> <TR> <TD>

    V2335

    </TD> <TD>

    90

    </TD> <TD>

    6:36

    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    This test is run with the CPU throttling enabled, but the screen still never turns off, nor does the HD stop.&nbsp; The Pentium M helps add 2+ hours to the expected battery life, that's about a 35% improvement.&nbsp; So the low power Intel really shines while running down at 800MHz.

    Winner: Compaq V2335.

    <STRONG>Keyboard and Touchpad</STRONG>

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    Compaq v2000z keyboard (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5787.jpg" >larger</A>)

    I am used to the "eraser head" that is common on the ThinkPad series of notebooks and also my Compaq n400c, but I found the touchpad on these new notebooks of mine usable.&nbsp; With the wide screen, adjusting the sensitivity of the touchpad allows you to scroll across the screen without 3 swipes at it.&nbsp; The default setting on all touchpads that allows tapping as a double-click alternative drives me crazy, that's the first thing I disable.

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    HP L2000 keyboard (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5793.jpg" >larger</A>)

    However, this is a comparison, and there is no difference between each machine's touchpad, except the L2000 has an ugly yellow paintjob.&nbsp; They all allow you to disable the touchpad with the press of a button.&nbsp; That's a bonus, allowing me to type away without bumping the cursor, while my Bluetooth mouse sits on the side ready to use.

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    Compaq v2000z (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5815.jpg" >larger</A>)

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    HP L2000 (<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5823.jpg" >larger</A>)

    The keyboards, however, are not the same.&nbsp; The L2000 has a great, solid black keyboard with white letters/numbers.&nbsp; That makes life easy in a low light situation, as keys are slightly easier to pick out.&nbsp; The keyboard flex on both Compaq units makes them feel cheap, and I was surprised how different the HP L2000 was to the two Compaq keyboards.&nbsp; Perhaps the L2000 keyboard is the same HP keyboard on the dv1000 notebook that everyone likes so much.&nbsp; The other difference is cosmetic, the fonts and symbols on some keys are slightly different (see pics).

    <IMG height=262 alt=l2000v2000 src="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5780.jpg" width=350 border=0>

    HP L2000 Key fonts

    <IMG height=262 alt=l2000v2000 src="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5778.jpg" width=350 border=0>

    Compaq v2000 Key fonts

    Winner: HP L2000

    <STRONG>Input and</STRONG> <STRONG>Output</STRONG> <STRONG>Ports<BR><BR></STRONG>

    All three units have identical ports.&nbsp; I'll list them for informational purposes:

    • 3 USB 2.0
    • 1 Audio - headphone-out
    • 1 Audio - microphone-in
    • 1 Video - VGA (15-pin)
    • 1 Video - TV-Out (S-Video)
    • 1 RJ-11 (modem)
    • 1 RJ-45 Ethernet (LAN)
    • 1 Expansion port 2
    • 1 IEEE-1394 Firewire (4-pin)

    Winner: None, a three way tie.

    <STRONG>Wireless<BR><BR></STRONG>The L2000 and V2000Z clones use integrated Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN and Broadcom Bluetooth wireless.&nbsp; The V2335 uses the Intel Pro/Wireless 2200 802.11BG and Broadcom Bluetooth wireless.&nbsp; Wireless is enabled and disabled by a button above the keyboard, or by using HP's included management software.

    I fired up Netstumbler on each machine, and let them each sit in the same place for 10mins.

    • The V2335 (Intel) found <STRONG>19 Access Points</STRONG>
    • The V2000Z (Broadcom) found <STRONG>9 Access Points</STRONG>
    • My old N400C found <STRONG>7 Access Points</STRONG> (802.11 B only)

    I'm not sure what's more surprising, the fact that there were 20 Access Points within range of my home, or that the Intel chipset and antenna combo was so much more sensitive.&nbsp;

    Bluetooth modules are the same Broadcom units on all three machines.

    Winner: Compaq V2335

    <STRONG>Battery</STRONG>

    The machines share the same battery, so you can use either a 6cell or 12cell.

    See the test results in the benchmark section for battery performance.&nbsp; It's a clear win for the Intel setup; it puts up the same or better performance numbers than the 2GHz AMD, but uses anywhere from 20-35% less power to do it.&nbsp; That's the difference between lugging around a 1.5lb 12-cell battery versus making do with a lighter 1lb 6-cell battery.

    The 12-cell not only adds double the power, but it also raises the back of the laptops up to provide a comfortable angle for typing.&nbsp; However the battery only runs across of the back, making it a little unbalanced when you are trying to rest it on your lap.

    Winner: Compaq V2335&nbsp;

    <STRONG>Operating System and Software</STRONG>

    <STRONG><IMG height=262 alt="" src="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5796.jpg" width=350 border=0></STRONG>

    Included discs for documentation (l<A target=_blank href="http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/5797.jpg" >arger</A>)<BR><BR>The L2000 and V2000Z can be configured with XP Pro too, so no comparison to be made.

    The software package appears to be the same, most of which I deleted.&nbsp; Included programs that I axed were things such as iTunes, Office trial and so on.

    <STRONG>Customer Support</STRONG>

    It's the same tech support number for all three.

    Winner: None, a three way tie.

    <STRONG>Complaints</STRONG>

    The keyboards on the Compaq units are not up to standard.&nbsp; I would go so far as to order a keyboard from an L2000 as a replacement if I knew it might work.&nbsp; For me, the black lid, silver case look on both Compaq's is a mistake, it should be all silver.

    The yellow and grey graphics are a necessary branding evil on the HP L2000 LiveStrong branded notebook, they are ugly, but they can be removed easily enough (use plastic safe acetone).

    Fan noise on both the L2000 and V2000Z is noticeably louder and more frequent than on the V2335.

    All three laptops would benefit from retractable feet on the back of the base to help get air to the fan, and also make typing more comfortable.

    <STRONG>Praises</STRONG>

    The Compaq V2335 stands out among the three laptops, even though I didn't necessarily want it to.&nbsp; It won where it should have: battery life and temperature.&nbsp; It tied where it counted: performance and raw power.&nbsp; It lost in the only area that doesn't really matter: 3D gaming.&nbsp;&nbsp; The unexpected dominance in the wireless field for the v2335 was an added bonus.&nbsp;

    <B>Conclusion</B>

    For me, the impulse buy V2335 stays, and the others have to go back, which is good, as CompUSA is not as great about returns as Costco and HPShopping.com.&nbsp; That's why I gave each of those laptops a first crack, having great return policies make me that much more likely to buy from them again.&nbsp; With the prices being so similar, the two AMD offerings could not keep up with the Compaq Intel offering in my opinion, if there was a more pronounced price difference (i.e. the AMD based notebooks were cheaper) it's a tougher decision.

    I don't think you can go too wrong with any of these laptops. They all compete well with much pricier offerings from Sony and IBM.&nbsp; If I could have one laptop it would be the V2335, in black, with the ATI graphics card.&nbsp;

    No need to sell the AMD stock yet, but when it comes to mobile CPUs, Intel is still the clear winner.

     
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    that's crazy about the AMD processor notebooks slowing down so much after the Windows Update. Makes you wonder what's going on there.

    This is a great comparison review. Honest and unbiased, and I get the feeling you wanted the AMD machines to win out since your heart was with the company and you bought stock in it -- but the Intel Pentium M is a tough competitor and your benchmarks and perceived performance observations clearly show the Pentium M wins the day (except with graphics). I still feel more comfortable recommending the Pentium M to first time buyers, but if you know you can use the 64-bit capabilities of the AMD (which I can't think where you would really right now) or need the extra graphics kick you can get from it then maybe the AMD solution would be for you. The poorer performance on battery life is certainly a turn off for me though.

    Oh, and you're one of the few people I know that doesn't like the yellow highlights on the L2000 -- I think a lot of people would be aghast at mention of how to remove them :rolleyes:
     
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    Great comparison review, rally.

    I got my L2000 on Friday and really love the heck out of it, save for one thing: the battery life. I'm getting around 2:15 normal usage with the 6-cell. That plunges to 1:40-1:50 while playing DVDs or doing anything more intensive than surfing the web or whatnot. (this is all with power saving features on, unnecessary services and exe shut down, etc) Unacceptable for me, and I'm not spending another $150 to lug around a 12 cell for a grand total of 4 hours. Its really a shame because I adore this notebook.. I arranged for a return and its being picked up by Fedex today. :(

    I'm considering Pentium M or Athlon machines only now, Turion is now out of the question for me. Live and learn.
     
  26. chefjef

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    great review/comparison, liked being able to see the pic of the 12cell battery. how sturdy is the laptop with the 12cell? it looks awkward with the battery hanging down like that, is it nice and secure, or will it loosen up after some bumps?


    thanks!
    :decision:
     
  27. miner

    miner Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Great review! But the Super Pi times puzzle me...I expected the Turion 2.0GHz to do much better than those times. My Sempron 3000+(1.8GHz 128K cache) did the 2M calculation in 2m 09sec...Dont know whats going on there :rolleyes: ??

    The Turion is quite clearly not upto the battery life performance ratio of the Pentium M. The main advantage is going to be the cheaper price of the Turion with decent performance and decent battery life.
     
  28. pushparajs

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    Few Questions (because I own L2000 and have a heat problem):

    1. Did you feel heat on the left hand palm rest in Intel powered model?
    2. What is the typical CPU temperature in all the three models? (My L2000 stays in the range of 51-54C and fan starts once it reaches 55C)

    Pushparaj
     
  29. moulinneuf

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    Hi ,

    No offense meant , but I think I found why your AMD Turion review is a bit disapointing :

    Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with SP2

    VS

    Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Pro Edition with SP2

    The XP home version is probably running in 32bit mode as the home version as no real 64 bit support. Also its noted in many place that XP home is real bad in a network environment , it also come with less tools and software.

    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.mspx

    http://www.ucs.ed.ac.uk/usd/scisup/faq/homevspro.html

    http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-5789.html

    http://www.thomas.edu/it/faq/winxphomevspro.htm

    http://www.jmu.edu/computing/desktop/wireless/

    http://www.kid-computers.com/press/xpvspro.shtml

    http://www.williamaford.com/XPHomevsXPPro.php

    http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/20536/20536.html

    The XP OS in orders in my Opinion is :

    1) MCE 2005 ( Media center edition 2005 )
    2) Tablet PC 2005
    3) Windows XP pro
    4) Windows XP home
     
  30. Rahul

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    Great comparison review, very, very informative!

    So I guess I'll be sticking to the Pentium M processor for a while. Now, a lot of people are going crazy over the Turion because its 64 bit. Now, is that really that much of a big deal? Won't Longhorn be 32 bit also? Also, there's little opportunity to take advantage of 64 bit technology right? AMD still needs to work on battery life and heat and fan noise for it to really compete.

    Well, isn't the lower battery life and such by the Turion caused because HP is using these higher voltage ML chips instead of lower voltage MT chips? And I heard that both give basically the same performance but the MT chips are more expensive. Correct me if I'm wrong in anything I've said.
     
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    MS XP Pro is not 64-bit and neither will it take advantage of it. You can download a 64-bit version of Windows, but many applications will not run in such a mode and 64-bit Windows is not going to be sold as an OEM install on any laptop so that still doesn't explain the performance difference, XP Pro is certainly not faster than Home -- it has more stuff in regards to networking and supporting IIS.
     
  32. rally1

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    I'm happy to do any other testing while I still have the laptops.
    Ref. the Super Pi, I actually installed XP pro on the L2000 (as that's what I wanted to keep), and the SuperPi times are the same. My final test will be to run the recovery DVD, and put the V2000Z back to factory fresh, and run SuperPi again to confirm.

    Ref. heat, yes, it's the left palm area, above the HD where the heat was felt, but there is heat on all 3 machines.
     
  33. rally1

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    It wont fall out, it's clipped in. It got edited out of the review, but the battery only goes accross 3/4 of the back, so it is a little unstable.
    The 12cell is much easier to take off, as you have something to grab hold of. The 6cell was nearly impossible without a tool to gouge it out, I must be missing something (yes I used the battery lock switch).
     
  34. pushparajs

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    Can you try "Centrino Hardware Control" to find out real temperature in Intel Machine.

    You can use AMD Dashboard Demo to findout the temperature in L2000.

    Pushparaj
     
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    LOL, might want to offer him an hourly rate to run all of those benchmark requests, it'll take a while with 3 laptops. He's got a PayPal address I know ;)
     
  37. rally1

    rally1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oops lol.

    CPU-z I did, the results are linked in the review here , AMD dashboard is already on there so that's easy. The others requests i'll try do too, it might be a while.

    The V2335 @ 800 MHz is 51 degrees.
     
  38. moulinneuf

    moulinneuf Notebook Enthusiast

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    I read this too literally , I guess :

    "I'm happy to do any other testing while I still have the laptops." :p

    I cant afford myself this days , so I dont think I could afford a real reviewer of your quality , sorry man.

    Thks for the Cpu-Z screenshot , personnaly I prefer html and text.

    CPU-z ... about tab ... Html report

    Belarc you have to save the html to disk

    others you just save it to html or text

    If you feel like it.
     
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    Thanks for the tips on how to use CPU-Z ..... I'll give you some tips on how to click links ;)
     
  40. lastdon

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    if we start blaming the o/s for things

    then its fair to say that the TURION is 200mhz faster..

    so it would only be fair to test this turion vs the intel if the intel system was a 2.0ghz intel

    therefore it would be clock for clock test comparison..

    if runnig WinXP pro does score changing then i guess the intel running almost 200mhz slower at full speed would mean loss in that department like in PC MARK etc.. dont u think

    but fairly a 2.0 ghz chip vs a 2.0ghz chip would be good

    if the o/s thing bothers you.. thennnn why not mention the processor speed as well



    edit: and no i am not an intel fan boy or amd fan boy,
    i have both systems at home and each serve their purpose.

    and
    great review by the way
     
  41. poor_undergrad

    poor_undergrad Newbie

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    i just went to the compaq website after reading this review and...

    a pentium m 1.6 v2000 series model with
    60GB 5400 hard drive
    512 of ram
    6 cell batttery
    intel 54g wifi

    would set you back $1045

    an turion 1.6 v2000z sereis model with
    60gb 5400 hard
    512 of ram
    6 cell battery
    broadcom 54g wifi

    would set you back $850

    $200 difference for similarly configured laptops, but as the review stated, the centrino would last longer under battery conditions, but no 64bit support and you have an intel integrated graphics which sucks at anything gaming (*but for non gamers it's a moot point).
     
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    Battery life is sure disappointing on the ML-Turion systems, don't regular Athlon64 notebooks almost get 4 hrs of battery life with a 12 cell?

    Seems like HP is crippling the v2000z performance-wise, the ram is underclocked to 133MHz (DDR266) but it's a 166MHz stick. The CAS latency is higher then what SPD reports too at 133MHz. Since it's single channel, the low memory bandwidth has to hurt, even AthlonXP's could use more bandwidth.
     
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