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HP ENVY 15z-j000 ?

Discussion in 'What Notebook Should I Buy?' started by FlameDra, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. FlameDra

    FlameDra Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm going to be getting a laptop for college and I've been researching some models for a while. I'm looking for a good performance laptop which also has some great battery life (around 5-6hrs). Sadly, most of the laptops which I read reviews on, such as the Lenovo Y510p, Lenovo Y500, MSI GE60 0ND, HP ENVY dv6t, Sager NP6652, etc. claim to have only around ~3hrs of battery life when not gaming. However, I plan to use the laptop in my classes a lot (browsing the internet, ms word, etc.) and when ever I do game the laptop will be plugged in.

    Recently I came across the HP ENVY 15z-j000 which looks like it has decent specs and also claims to have ~9hours of battery life.

    What I want to know is how true this claim is. Will it really be able to deliver at least 6hours of battery life with only FireFox and MS Word being used?

    Also, will I be able to play League of Legends, DotA2, TF2 at high with around 60FPS? Can I play more resource intensive single-player games (BioShock Infinite, Tomb Raider, etc.) at medium with a decent framerate (~40FPS)? The Radeon 8750M does seem like its better/equivalent to the nVidia GT 650M, but I'd like to hear you guy's opinions.

    Please add in any other pros on cons you guys know about this model, it would be great help!

    EDIT: Almost forgot this, does it come in black?
     
  2. Sxooter

    Sxooter Notebook Virtuoso

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    You can likely play those games at lowest settings with the built in GPU, and at medium or high if you get the 8750. Definitely look at both the GPU and screen upgrade (1080p). The GPU will allow you to play more modern games at much higher settings than the built in GPU in the CPU. Upgrading the CPU is the third thing I'd look at, but the difference in terms of raw CPU horsepower isn't that big, somewhere around 15% or so. And both are probably overclockable if older A8/A10 series are any clue. A similar laptop for about the same price is the Asus N56DP which has an A10 CPU and a 7730 GPU which is within spitting distance of the 8750. My guess is the real world battery life on both laptops will run around 3 hours max in use as a web browsing / note taking platform. If you want more battery life you may have to sacrifice horsepower and get something lighter with a low voltage CPU.

    Generally speaking the max performance of the AMD A series is somewhere around the intel core i3/i5 series, but they seem to run cooler and are overclockable while most mobile core i3 and i5 are not.
     
  3. tosaytheleast

    tosaytheleast Notebook Guru

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    Haven't you considered taking a look at Samsung laptops? I know they are a bit pricey but I guess they get the job done when it comes to performance. I just checked the Samsung NP700Z5C-SB2AU. Has i7 processor clocked at 2.4 Ghz, 8 GB RAM, with SSD + 1 TB HDD and claims (yes they are claiming) that battery could last up to 5.4 hours watching DVDs. I think it has also dual GPU setup (onboard Intel and nVIDIA GeForce GT 640M (Optimus) 1GB) defenitely worth looking at.
     
  4. Sxooter

    Sxooter Notebook Virtuoso

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    That's about twice what the price of what the OP is looking at tho. There area a LOT of good machines with 1080p screens now for well under $1k.
     
  5. FlameDra

    FlameDra Notebook Enthusiast

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    I'm actually looking for something which can run most of my games (while plugged in) and have around ~6hours battery life when only browsing/note taking. I can dish up upto $800 or a bit more, so if I do get this notebook I will most probably be getting the 1080p screen and the GPU upgrade but I'm not so sure if I should get the CPU upgrade though as I don't really want to sacrifice battery life.

    I know I can get better performance laptops for my budget, but most of them have only ~3hrs of battery life which does not work for me.
     
  6. T2050

    T2050 Notebook Deity

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    Personally I am getting this notebook, there are others to choose from, but I have brought the last 3 generations of HP dv6 each year, this will be my 4th. My only downfall on this is the pre-built model I will be getting with Intel only is offered in 1366x768, unless I choose another AMD model, which I don't want or need as my 2012 dv6 is just as fast as this years 2013.
    If you are going to go with the AMD model, make sure you go for the fastest CPU and GPU combo you can get, you will not regret it. Which will be the A10-5750M and 8750M. I have a very similar combo, and the battery life is awesome. I can even game a little on the battery if I want to. The laptop run very cool even under load compared with the Intel machines I have had when under load.
    Good thing about the HP from 2012 and 2013, they use the same battery. All pre-built models come with 6 cell 62WHr batteries which is a decent size to keep powering along for a good amount of time.
     
  7. FlameDra

    FlameDra Notebook Enthusiast

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    csclifford Notebook Evangelist

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    For your price point I would get the Envy 15z-j000 with:

    A10 quad core
    Radeon 8750
    1080p screen upgrade
    8GB RAM
    Backlit keyboard

    All of that comes out to $740, and should be able to do everything you will ask of it.
     
  9. FlameDra

    FlameDra Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yeah I was thinking of doing the same. The dv6t with the graphics card and the 1080p upgrade comes to around ~$1000, while I will probably get similar performance from the 15z-j000 for a lot less. Battery life should be around 6hours too according to what everyone has said. Its a shame that the 15z-j000 doesn't come in black. :/
     
  10. GloStiX

    GloStiX Notebook Evangelist

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    What about comparing to the 15T-j000 (Haswell version) in terms of battery life and performance?
    I just want a 1080p new-generation CPU laptop for as cheap as possible, but HP lists both Richland and Haswell versions as "9 hours 45 min" -- I don't believe it!
     
  11. Sxooter

    Sxooter Notebook Virtuoso

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    Without at least a $200 off courpon the dv6t is overpriced. I got my son one earlier this year when they had a $300 off coupon for the dv6t.
     
  12. FlameDra

    FlameDra Notebook Enthusiast

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    I can afford the 15t-j000 as well, but not sure if I should go for it or if its that much of a leap from the 15z-j000. Heck, I don't need 9hours 45min, just give me 5-6hrs and I'm happy!
     
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    Sxooter Notebook Virtuoso

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    Keep in mind that you can only really count on about 1/2 to 2/3 what they advertise for battery life. My Sony SA had an advertised battery life of 6 hours, 3, 3.5 is the most I ever got out of it. So it may be worth looking for something that says it gives you 12 if you want 6 to 8.
     
  14. FlameDra

    FlameDra Notebook Enthusiast

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    Well the 15z-j000 and the 15t-j000 advertise 9hr 45mins, so I'm assuming I can get around 5hrs from it. Meanwhile, the dv6t is advertising 6hrs, so I guess that would mean its just another 3hr laptop.

    Your son got a dv6t right? How is the battery life when just browsing the web?
     
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    Sxooter Notebook Virtuoso

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    With the 6 cell it's about 3 hours. The 9cell is 50% bigger so you could get a reasonable 4.5 hours or so n battery with the dv6t.
     
  16. FlameDra

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    Yeah most of the reviews said the same. Which is why I'm leaning towards the 15z-j000 more, its a shame there aren't any reviews out yet though. :/
     
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    That's for the separate Touch model, although they have near identical specs otherwise.

    I just got this laptop a little over a week ago.

    My Specs:
    • AMD A10
    • Dual Graphics
    • 8gb RAM
    • 1tb HDD
    • 1080p Display
    • Backlit Keyboard
    • Bluetooth

    So far my only real issue is that Left/Right clicking is a bit hard(especially the right), but Single and Dual Finger taps work well enough that it isn't a problem.

    As far as Horsepower goes, I was never expecting mind-blowing graphic feats from my $740(+tax)(coupon-used) build but I've been reasonably impressed with my results. I'm no hard-core gamer OCDing over a mandatory 60fps, but this thing gets darn close to satisfying those OCD cravings. The main problem I encountered is that the AMD drivers aren't good at realizing when an app needs the extra GPU. In some cases I had to manually add a game/app to the list and select forced Maximum Performance in order to get it to kick in the Dual-Graphics.

    In slightly older games(2+ years) you can easily get 60fps at 1080p as long as Anti-Aliasing is Off. As soon as I turned on AA I couldn't get past 30-40fps unless I dropped to 720p. On newer games you'll generally want to stick to 720p for good performance. If you don't plan on getting the second GPU for your build then expect 30-40fps at 720p even on the 2+ year games.

    Now another concern of course is heat and battery life. As far as the battery goes, setting the Graphics to "Force power-saving graphics" on Battery got me 3-3(1/2)hours, start playing a game and it dropped to 45-75 minutes. This was what I was expecting since I wanted the graphic-power instead of battery-power. Now Heat and Cooling is the awesome part. This thing is nicely cool when doing your casual stuff, and the fans were nice and quiet. However, even when I cranked up the graphics it still kept itself at just above luke-warm. The fans do start making noise and the left palm-rest starts heating up(probably where the GPU is) but never have I found it annoying. If it does bother you then just place a pad or thick cloth there to insulate your hand. The venting on this Laptop is definitely laid out well.

    So overall this is pretty much the budget dream of any would-be College student. If you have the cash there are better things out there for gamers, but the price I got on this couldn't be beat. Definitely setup an HP Academy account to get a decent instant discount, and then hunt for a coupon code to drop the price to even more amazing levels.

    The hardware is solid at a decent price and it looks great aesthetically too.

    PRO TIPS: Definitely recommend minimum 8gb RAM upgrade even if you aren't gaming. Just keeping a bunch of tabs open and a few other programs eats up RAM real quick in Windows 8. Also if you can't stand the Windows 8 Modern UI and Start Screen, just install the free Classic Shell program. It gives you a Start Button and custom Start Menu of your choosing, plus it'll even let you boot straight to the Desktop if you want to. Almost like you were still on Win7.
     
  19. lovelaptops

    lovelaptops MY FRIENDS CALL ME JEFF!

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    I was giving strong consideration of this model and read through the Owners' thread on it in the HP forum and found there were too many quality issues - including the screen - to make it a safe choice. The DV6 has been made on its current chassis for several years and has a superb 1080p matte screen and otherwise very solid build and reliability. I'm confused about the battery life: is the DV6 not yet out with Haswell? If you can wait, you might want to.

    PS: haven't read that Envy 15-j000 thread for a week or so; there may be a lot more insight now that it is readily available.
     

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