Hp envy 13 (8th gen) mx150

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  1. mctsimo1

    mctsimo1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi
    Anyone know what the temp limit of the mx150 is? I hear it's either 60c something (i think this is the default though), 72c (through bios update?) or 92c (changing thermal profile?).
    Just wondering if anyone had experience with the laptop and could comment on cooling?
    Just out of interest, does gpu z update the current temp field to any of these temps?

    Thanks
     
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    To be completely honest, I have one (AH1033TX Whiskey Lake i7 + 16GB RAM + MX150) and I'm not entirely sure. All I know is that for now, all I'm getting from the MX150 is middling performance no matter what settings I give it...

    And no, its NOT overheating either. This thing barely gets hot to begin with. Something else is holding it back and IDK what it is.

    One thing that comes to mind though is that I'm running it through a Type-C PD power supply (the Innergie 60C) right now so it might be just that. Will plug a "proper" (as in through the actual jack) 65W adapter in later and we can see if that changes things.

    Hopefully it does or else I'll be pretty disappointed in this thing.

    That said, the Thermal Power Profile setting actually DOES make a difference even with the PD power supply. Have been testing FC: New Dawn and with the "Performance" profile, I don't get pesky stutters or freezes while playing... even if performance is pretty crap.
     
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    Oh wow. That was exactly it lol. Apparently "Performance Mode" and PD/Type-C Power doesn't go all that well together.

    Plugging in my original HP 65W AC plug and selecting the "Performance" Thermal Profile seems to be getting me a cool 3-4x increase in 3DMark11 performance. To be exact, it's 856 (PD) vs 3526 (AC) 3DM11 Performance Graphics Score. Something tells me the MX150 doesn't even run in PD mode coz that 800ish score smells awfully Intel 620-ish TBH.

    I'm thinking that with proper AC power and the "Performance" profile selected, it really does throttle at only 90c-ish, as I'm not getting any stuttering or freezes in any of my games.

    With that, this thing is FINALLY worth the money. It's still just the "gimped" MX150 though, but eyyy, the Envy's TINY so it's an understandable compromise. At least I can play AC7, FC: New Dawn and FO4 with better than potato performance now lol.

    Unfotunately this would also mean this little thing can be pretty throttled down on battery (as the "Performance" profile works on AC ONLY), but I expected as much so no biggie. I also have an Innergie ICE 65W universal adapter and that seems to be working fine so this seems to work with "universal" AC adapters as well.

    Not entirely sure if it's related, but I'm also running on the 417.01 nVidia drivers that someone mentioned had better performance over the rest (it sure ran AC7 smoother than 419.xx). PhysX is being run off the CPU just to keep heat loads more stable, and BIOS has also been updated to the latest F12 version (or so the HP site says, from the in-box F7).

    As an end note, I have a feeling I'm gonna have to keep those tiny vent holes pretty clean in the future if I wanna keep things this way moving forward, as the Envy 13 seems to LOVE good ventilation.
     
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    Ok thanks for that. Would you recommend the laptop?

    Just wondering, is there any overheating with the performance profile active?

    Without the performance profile, were you still getting the stutters after the new bios was updated? What kind of throttling was there, did it go from 60fps to 20fps, then back to 60fps again? I heard the new bios resolved the issues but that was for the pavilion laptops so I'm not sure if the envy got that.

    Thanks, just wanted to know what to expect if I buy it lol.
     
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    So far, I've been though hours of FC: New Dawn in AC/PerfMode with no overheating. AC7 did crash once, but that was in the menu and I think its more my undervolt than an overheat crash.

    And throttling? I got zero, zilch. New Dawn, AC7... everything ran steady with no dips, and it did this consistently for a decent amount of time too - at least under AC/PerfMode, as I said before.

    But AC/PerfMode Off? I need to retest with the new BIOS and AC hooked up, but as I've said before, on PD and the old BIOS it could barely reach 30fps with New Dawn with everything set to the lowest and renderscale set to 0.5... With Perf mode off back then it was dipping to single digits every other second. To be honest, it was badddddd.

    Gimmie a few hours and I'll try checking out AC / Perfmode Off with muh games and we can see how bad it gets.
     
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    Ok thanks, please let us know how the ac / perf mode off goes once you test? Fingers crossed there are no frame drops with the new bios!
    With the perf mode off, will you be trying it with the recommended (I think it's called recommended anyway) setting in the command center?
     
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    Unfortunately, bad news.

    FC: ND (at least) is almost unplayable with the "Recommended" settings, even with proper AC power. In this case, it actually does render 720p/Renderscale 1 as it should (unlike with PD power where I had to drop to 0.5 for it to even run anywhere near acceptably) but you only get like 3-5 seconds of "PerfMode" smoothness before everything gets throttled and the frames drop into the infinite abyss for a sec, then back to a few secs of smoothness returning before to the dark pit of FPS doom.

    And this is with the Envy on a bloody cooling pad mind you.

    So yeah, it's pretty much AC power for "heavy" games or bust. TBH I expected as much, but it's disappointing nonetheless. I probably need to find a 65w capable 19v "laptop" powerbank for days where I need to game/edit 4k untethered (maybe one of those RavPower plug PBs), but honestly I'm really only planning to use the unit for light duties off the grid so it's not exactly a priority.

    But yeah, sorry dude I had to be the destroyer of hopes. Maybe something lighter then FC:ND would do fine under "RecMode", but that throttling is something vicious.
     
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    Ok thanks, that's a shame about recommended settings. It's good that there's a bit of a work around with performance mode though.
     
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    True, at the very least I have a competently mobile lappy with a decent battery life for normal "work"; yet capable of decently gaming / editing the heavy stuff once I get close to a plug... or a plug-powerbank.

    Next best thing would probably be the a tad bigger (and less solid) MSI PS42 but I wonder if that one (at least the MX150 version) does full power on batteries either.
     
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    Actually, I just found some light at the end of the tunnel. Apparently, turning Turbo Boost off (through ThrottleStop) is enough to be able to make FC:ND run smoothly on "RecMode", no matter on AC OR on battery (and under the same settings as with AC PerfMode). It feels ever so slightly slower then on ACPM, but at least I didn't have to go 0.5 renderscale to get it even remotely playable (as before).

    Not sure how I feel about having to forcibly neuter my i7s to 1.8Ghz with Turbo off for on battery gaming but eyyy, at least I'm gonna get extra battery life as a result. Kept one "optional" TS profile just in the (probably rare) case I'm gonna need Turbo on battery anyway.
     
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