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Discussion in 'HP Business Class Notebooks' started by Aloysiusq, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. Aloysiusq

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    I have pulled the triggger on an 8570W with I7-3720QM and 256GB SED SSD.

    This unit will sport a fallow / non-populated MSATA slot. Note that in some configurations, the MSATA slot is occupied by a small 24GB MSATA SSD with a hidden partition dedicated to fast cashing operations.

    Here is an interesting question: is the MSATA slot available to end-user installation of general purpose 3rd party MSATA SSD drives, or its use is reserved to HP only? Interestingly, the HP sales guys I have spoken to do not have a clear answer.

    Opinions anyone?

    Regards, Aloysius
     
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    I think it's user installable. Another good question: is the mSATA slot SATA III?

     
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    Hi Comal, I suspect that HP may be using the Intel 313 Series 24GB MSATA module described at:

    Intel® SSD 313 Series (24GB, 2.5in SATA 3Gb/s, 25nm, SLC)

    If my guess is correct, the module being SATA 3, it is likely that the MSATA slot may be SATA3 as well. Unfortunately, all drives for 8570W are rebadged parts, and HP declines to reveal their origins, therefore I can only make semi-educated guess about their identity.
     
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    Thanks, I read in a review that a user can install their own mSATA drive so I won't be using HP's SSD.

     
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    Comal, where did you read that? Could you provide a link? Would a SSD Drive show up as a partition?
     
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    By pouring over the detailed 8570W specifications, I have discovered that the 256GB SSD available for CTO configurations is a rather sluggish performer:

    256GB SSD
    Maximum Sequential Read: 460 MB/s
    Maximum Sequential Write: 260 MB/s

    Conversely, the 180GB SSD features much more interesting specs:

    180GB SSD
    Maximum Sequential Read: 550 MB/s
    Maximum Sequential Write: 520 MB/s

    Although HP is totally mum about the paternity of any of its SSDs, The specs of the 180GB drive match exactly the Intel 520 Series 180GB SATA 3.

    The drive is already available on one 8570W SmartBuy, and on 8770W CTO models, but not yet on 8570W CTo configurations. As I intend to have a fast SSD on my new machine, I have temporarily cancelled my 8570W order. I need to decide whether to opt for an equivalent 8770W CTO, or wait patiently until the 180GB SSD becomes available for 8570W CTO configs.

    Best, Aloysius
     
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    Hello guys

    I got the new 8570w model B8V81UT last week, $1679 from costcentral.com, arrived in 5 days (from CA to Colorado)

    the notebook looks exactly the same outside as 8560w (I got one of these too last year), and similar-heat issues (not too much but still) when playing a DX11 game

    I'm little bit confused by this "mSATA 24 GB Flash Cache", i wasnt able to locate this initially in Device Manager, or in BIOS, the Win.Exp. Index for this model is:
    ~7.6 for memory,
    5.9 for disk,
    and 7.2 for everything else (cpu is i5-3360m, graphic is FirePro M4000)

    so this 5.9 for disk looked pretty low to me for a hybrid drive/mSATA SSD cache and I was thinking the component is missing for some reason which would be very strange for a smart buy/preconfigured model...and then I 'found' it in an application called 'Intel Rapid Storage Technology/Smart Response ..." - there is a 'drive', sized ~22 GB in Raid 0... so looks like its there; however isnt this result 5.9 in Windows Index too low ? I've seen a Sleekbook notebooks with normal HDD with similar results;
    what could I expect from Hybrid drive and what software could i use for testing/reporting this feature ?
     
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    Hi Longin, I wonder if there are some settings in the cache module application to tweak its performance. But if I look at the specs for the Intel 24GB Series 313 module on the intel site, it does not appear to be a speed-demon.

    As for me, I have foregone the Intel Smart Response module completely. I am just waiting for HP to introduce the 180 GB SSD on 8570W CTO configurations for best performance. I suspect this drive to be an Intel 520 Series SSD. My HP rep indicated that the 180 SSD may appear on 8570W CTOs as soon as system testing are complete.... hopefully in early September.

    If I see no 180 GB drive appearing on 8570W CTO by Sept 10th, I will order 8770W instead, which has 180 GB SSD already available on CTO configurations.

    By the way, can you tell if the 24 GB Cache module is soldered or socketed? If it were socketed, and the operating system all resided on the 500 GB HDD, you might be able to replace the 24 GB module with a fast MSATA 256 GB SSD as a very fast "D" drive.
     
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    How can I tell this ? I guess I should open/unmount the back panel or something ?

    also - is it normal for a SSD-cache NOT to appear in Device Manager ?
     
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    Hi Longin, yes you will have to remove the bottom plate of the 8570W to find the 24GB module. As for not finding the module in device manager, you should call up HP technical support and ask them if it should appear.... And ask them what you need to do to ensure that the module is enabled and operational.
     
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    You don't have to buy the HP mSATA. You can install any mSATA drive you want as well as memory and any SSD you want.
     
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    Hi Comal, where did you read that 8570W is compatible with third party MSATA modules? Could you please post a link? I have not found any information on the Internet yet that would support your hypothesis... Yet I wish it very much to be true!

    I have asked this very question to an HP inside sales rep, and he told me that the 24GB Intel cache module is soldered to the mother board, and that that particular connection seems reserved to cach-only operations.

    What's the real story?

    Thanks, Aloysius
     
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    The fact that the msata flash cache does neither show up in the parts catalogue nor in the maintenance and service guide backs the statement of the HP rep.

    Since you can not buy the msata module from the part store and the maintenance manual does not provide any information on the msata drive´s existence, partnumber or replacement procedure can only mean that the msata flash cache is a part of the mainboard that is not meant to be replaced. Very likely it is soldered to the base unit and won´t allow replacement.

    This might also be the reason for the msata drive not showing up in the device manager. Even if you would try to unsolder the drive and install one from another manufacturer i would not be surprised if the intel msata-drive is on the whitelist ( allowed device id´s) of the mainboards bios, making it very hard to install another drive without tampering with the bios.

    to sum it up i guess the rep you had contact with did tell the truth about the msata-drive.
     
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    The mSata module is not soldered down. It's much like a tall narrow DIMM.
    If the 24G mSata is used as a cache, it will not show up in the disk manager
    as a drive. I am not sure about the device manager. The mSata module
    is directly accessible by removing the bottom cover, a much better arrangement
    that on the Ivy dv6 and dv7 where it is under the keyboard.
    Go to
     
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    Hmm...
    Go to HP Support and Drivers
    Enter 8570w
    select any of the 3 shown
    On the left select Repair videos and animations
    Select Remove/replace videos
    select mSata

    For info about mSata as a cache, go back and select manuals.
    Scroll down to White papers and select the one about Intel Smart
    Response Technology (SRT).
     
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    Cause I installed one in mine but it appears to be SATA 3.0 Gb/s not SATA 6.0 Gb/s. I ordered my 8570w without an mSATA installed.

    The socket is on the back once you open the back case. It says MSATA right there. I installed a 256 GB mSATA from Crucial and it recognized it. Haven't installed an operating system yet so don't know how it performs.
     
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    I took picture(s) but can't post them now maybe later/Monday

    It's definitely Intel 313 capacity 24 GB model SSDMAEXC024G3H; and doesnt look soldered to me

    Also is labeled "replace with HP spare# 694682-001 CP1270"..
     
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    Thank you Comal...

    What model of Crucial MSATA 256 GB module have you installed?

    Is it possible that the system is currently configured to see all MSATA drives as a 3Gb/sec device, and so needs to be reconfigured for the device to perform at its full potential?

    Are you planning to load the operating system on the MSATA module and run it as your C drive?

    Please keep us posted!
     
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    BIOS is set to 6Gb/s for the SATA interfaces.

    SSDs I installed are
    CT512M4SSD2 512GB SATA 6Gb/s speed
    CT256M4SSD3 mSATA 6Gb/s speed

    The system I'm running is linux but not the latest updates yet. Also haven't yet install the latest HP BIOS. Maybe someone else can confirm the speed of the mSATA slot.

    Also the mSATA doesn't show up in the BIOS as a boot drive, at least when the boot setting is set to UEFI Hybrid but haven't install a system on the mSATA yet. I'm planning to install linux on it (no need for drive letters on linux, just folders).
     

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