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*HP 2510p Owners Lounge*

Discussion in 'HP Business Class Notebooks' started by master blaster, Feb 13, 2009.

  1. master blaster

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    <div style="background:url('https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ezz9aLdg2iM/UM1On6DWtAI/AAAAAAAAAcs/cOp5zIwZhoo/s75/bg-hpb.png'); background-repeat: repeat-x; background-color: #172737"><table cellpadding="3" style="width: 100%; border: 2px solid black; border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr style="background:url('https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h834YFSJ2ns/UM1On3MopTI/AAAAAAAAAdM/117rEF5uUNc/s450/bg-hpb-right.jpg'); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: right top"><td><div style="position: static; float: right; padding: 6px 10px 2px 10px"><center>[​IMG]</center></div><div style="font-size: large; color: white; position: static; float: left; padding: 10px 0px 10px 5px">2510p Owners Lounge<br><span style="font-size: x-small">Release Date: June 27, 2007 (pre-GFC build quality)</span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
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    <span style="font-size: x-small">4 - docking station ports | 5 - the slow ZIF PATA harddisk in the 1.8" drive bay</span>

    There are a few negatives: only has 2 USB ports, a mono speaker, and no webcam (unless mod one in), no HDMI, only 1 RAM slot (which means a pricier 4GB upgrade with x3100 graphics working) 20-30% slower than a dual-channel setup and the bus bottleneck with 4200rpm 1.8" PATA harddisk.

    <style type="text/css">.nobrtable br { display: none }</style><style type="text/css">.tablesmallfonts td {font-size: x-small;}</style><div class=tablesmallfonts>differences<span style="font-size:large">Differences Between 2510P, 2530P, 2540P & 2560P</span>

    <table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 rules=cols border=4 bgcolor=white><tbody><tr style="background-color: #d9d9d9"><td>Item/Owner's Lounge</td><td>2510P</td><td>2530P</td><td>2540P</td><td>2560P</td></tr><tr><td>unwhitelisted bios</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td><td bgcolor=silver>no</td><td bgcolor=silver>no</td></tr><tr><td>PLL/overclocking</td><td>ICS9LPRS355/yes</td><td>ICS9LPRS397/yes</td><td>no</td><td>no</td></tr><tr><td>LED-backlit LCD </td><td>12.1" 1280x800</td><td>12.1" 1280x800</td><td>12.1" 1280x800</td><td bgcolor=silver>12.5" 1366x768</td></tr><tr><td>primary/optical bay </td><td bgcolor=silver>1.8" ZIF/pata</td><td>1.8" usata/sata</td><td>1.8" usata/sata</td><td>2.5" sata/sata</td></tr><tr><td>CPU/chipset</td><td>65nm Merom/965GM</td><td>45nm Penryn/GS45</td><td>32nm <span style="font-size: x-small">Arrandale</span>/QM57</td><td>32nm <span style="font-size: x-small">Sandy Bridge</span>/QM67</td></tr><tr><td>FSB Mhz</td><td>U7x00/L7700 533/800</td><td>U9x00/L9x00 800/1066</td><td>1066</td><td>1333</td></tr><tr><td>Graphics</td><td>x3100</td><td>4500MHD</td><td>Intel HD</td><td>HD3000</td></tr></tr><tr><td>no of RAM slots</td><td bgcolor=silver>single channel (1)</td><td>dual channel (2)</td><td>dual channel (2)</td><td>dual channel (2)</td></tr><tr><td>RAM</td><td bgcolor=silver>DDR2-667</td><td bgcolor=silver>DDR2-800</td><td>DDR3-1333@1066</td><td>DDR3-1333</td></tr><tr><td>Wifi</td><td>4965AGN</td><td>5100AGN</td><td>6200AGN</td><td>6205AGN</td></tr><tr><td>expansion slot</td><td bgcolor=silver>PCMCIA+mPCIe</td><td><span style="font-size: x-small">expresscard 1.0+mPCIe</span></td><td><span style="font-size: x-small">expresscard 1.0+mPCIe</span></td><td><span style="font-size: x-small">expresscard 2.0+mPCIe</span></td></tr><tr><td>WWAN-ready</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td></tr><td>webcam and nightlight</td><td bgcolor=silver>no, consider mod</td><td>yes - on some models</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td></tr><tr><td>Displayport/HDMI</td><td bgcolor=silver>no</td><td bgcolor=silver>no, consider <span style="font-size: x-small">DIY eGPU</span></td><td>yes/no</td><td>yes/no</td></tr><tr><td>USB ports <span style="font-size: x-small">(+ODD caddy)</span></td><td>2</td><td>2+1</td><td>3+1</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>native e-sata</td><td>no</td><td>no</td><td>no</td><td>yes</td></tr><tr><td>keyboard</td><td>traditional</td><td>traditional</td><td bgcolor=silver>semi-chiclet</td><td bgcolor=silver>island</td></tr><tr><td>Bootable SD card?</td><td>no</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td><td>yes</td></tr><tr><td>Weight with 6-cell+ODD</td><td>1.63kgs/3.59lbs</td><td>1.70kgs/3.75lbs</td><td bgcolor=silver>1.81kgs/3.99lbs</td><td bgcolor=silver>1.92/4.24lbs</td></tr></tbody></table></div><span style="font-size:x-small">2510P/2530P/2540P HP Accessory List shows shareable accessories between 25xxP units.
     
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  2. Jay2k1

    Jay2k1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi,

    I own a 2510p as well and the very limiting factor indeed seems to be the 4200rpm PATA hard drive.

    In my 2510p, there's an 80GB model inside (Toshiba MK8009GAH) and right now I'm asking myself what to do. The usual price comparison sites tell me that, as a simple replacement, there's a 100GB and a 120GB model of that hard drive series available (MK1011GAH and MK1214GAH), both with 8MB cache and 4200rpm.
    Assuming PATA is the only way to go, one could consider buying the Mtron Mobi MSD 3000 32GB, 1.8", ZIF (MSD-PATA3018-032). It costs 170 EUR here in Germany - that's pretty OK imo - but tbh, 32GB isn't really much.
    So I am very very interested in this thread. I have also seen the unused connector and am wondering what it might be for.

    Also, did you notice the letters 'SSD' marked on the little metal clamp that is used to hold the hard disk in place? Any idea why they put it there? Waking hope?

    Another interesting thing: According to the HP partsurfer, there is a 120GB hard drive w/ 5400 rpm available (part number 467847-001). I'd go for that too, unfortunately I couldn't find out what HDD model it is yet.

    Edit: I just found out that Toshiba will start shipping the MK2431GAH drive (1.8", 4200rpm, 240GB (!)) on March 1st, 2009. Now, as seek time remains 15ms, I'm curious nevertheless for benchmarks, because with two platters à 120GB, it will have a record breaking data density which should increase at least sequential read and write performance.

    Edit2: Oh, and I wonder what happened to this one o_O
     
  3. Jay2k1

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    Good god, dude. Stop talking about soldering on the mobo, it makes my head hurt :D

    I would never go that far. I think the possibilities are as follows:
    1. some manufacturer makes a decent 1.8" ZIF hdd
    2. we go for the 32GB MTRON ssd
    3. the unused port turns out to be some kind of sata connector which somehow can be enabled and used

    I just flashed my BIOS to the newest version last evening, I was three versions behind before, and neither of the two BIOS versions had any options related to SATA. The only HDD related option I recall is the translation logic (bit-shift vs. LBA).

    At this time, I am only one click away from buying the 32GB MTRON SSD :S
    The sad thing is, there was a press release from MTRON saying they would release a 64GB version of their 1.8" ZIF SSD, but apparently they never did. Makes me :mad: :(
     
  4. Jay2k1

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    Man, I'd love being able to go for that one, that's for sure.

    Say, could you provide hi-res photos of the system board of the 2510p? So we could see what kind of ricoh controller chip there is.
     
  5. Jay2k1

    Jay2k1 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Well, at least when it comes to soldering on the mainboard you'll lose the warranty anyway, so I thought it wouldn't be a big deal for you ;)

    I've seen the device ID in the device manager as well, yeah, but maybe maybe there is some pcmcia driver for the ricoh controller other than the default xp driver.
    Unfortunately I don't own such a cardbus SATA adapter card, otherwise I'd have tested with some linux distributions as well to make sure it's not the windows driver that causes the slow data rates.

    Well, sadness. I've read this, so I think we can forget about using the cardbus slot, which narrows it down to either stick to the existing PATA connector or figuring out what the unused connector is good for, and how to enable it.
    EDIT: Forget this, read page 4 of this thread!
     
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    I think I won't buy such a controller card, because, as you correctly pointed out, we can see enough of the ricoh chip in the HP services media library picture to know it's a R5C847.
     
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    Point taken. I found 6 or 7 different adapters still available here, most of whats on the marked nowadays is ExpressCard. Unfortunately, none of the cardbus adapters are the short "hide-inside" ones like what you linked. That won't affect the testing of course, but assuming I'm successful it won't be of much help. I don't want to have some stuff sticking out of the notebook, the battery that stands out of the back annoys me enough...

    Besides I often copy photos from my compact flash card to the notebook using a 32-bit cardbus CF adapter, so I wouldn't want the slot to be blocked by the system disk. I think I'll get myself an MTRON 32GB SSD now.
     
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    The 120GB 5400rpm zif drive is the Samsung HS122JC. I picked a couple of these off eBay a few months ago for my 2510p's.
     
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    Could you please be so kind to do a benchmark using HD Tune or HDTach? I'd appreciate it very much.

    Edit: Although I guess it wouldn't matter much because I can't seem to get my hands on one of those, neither in any shops nor at eBay :(
     
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    Perhaps someone here wants to know.
    The probably biggest MTRON reseller here in Germany says:
    I also mailed with Toshiba concerning the MK2431GAH hard disk drive, which has 1.8" LIF 4.200rpm and 240GB on only 2 platters. I asked why it doesn't seem to be available in all the web shops (the 120GB version was all I could get). Toshiba Supervisor Technical Support, Danny Stahlfeld, says:
    I did order the 32GB version of the MTRON 1.8" SSD now, atm the retailer is awaiting the shipping from Mtron, Korea, and I might hold it in my hands in the first days in March.
    I'm curious though if there will be any useful stuff released on the CeBIT fair (3-8 March) (I'll be there most probably).
     
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    Yeah, perhaps I should waste the 16 Euros for such a card... After all it's not that much money... but as stated before, I can't seem to get my hands on a *short-type* adapter card, I only find cards that extend by about 1cm.

    The 32 GB Mtron was ordered for 169 EUR + 6 EUR shipping.
     
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    Here ya go: worldwide shipping, built-in cardbus e-sata. You can see this is the same card as this "hide type" (AKE BC198) but is cheaper
     
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    I found the exact same article on ebay Germany and ordered it for about 20 EUR. So as the auction text says, it'll take 22-24 days to arrive here.
     
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    Found out e-sata is specifically for external sata drives and uses different electrical connectors. If wanting to thread it internally to a SATA drive (eg: X18-M), would need a SATA port, which apparently this card provides:
     
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    Good stuff. Finally the discussion is getting going on replacing the 2510p stock 1.8 ZIF HDD. Here are some additional info:

    • I tried using the onboard miniPCIe slots to add an SSD and it didn't work. Besides the size issues I read that HP has a white list of recognized cards and that ASUS and DELL have proprietary protocols for using the mini PCIe interface. If anyone can figure this out this would be a cheap alternative since the second mini PCIe slot is free (unless your using mobile broadband). Runcore makes 2 upgrade modules that have decent speeds (MLC so not comparable with Mtron) as seen in these video.
    • Runcore also released a ZIF 1.8 version with 16-128GB capacities and folks are gunning to use these on the MacAirs, HP Minis and Aspires Ones. Since it is 1.8 ZIF I'm hoping it will fit, but it looked a bit big to fit in the 2510p to me. See this early video in a HP Mini. Here is the review with benchmarks. But I'm guessing it should fit since the 1.8 format is a standard (comments welcome). I contacted Runcore about this and they haven't gotten around to testing them yet, but said I could return the drive if it didn't work. The drive is MLC like their mPCIe products and has 80/45 (R/W) Mb/s advertised specs. I read in another thread that it uses the dreaded Jmicron controller, but the good news it is the newer revision and so far there are no visible performance issues. The drive is 5mm height except for the 128GB version which is 9mm. Note the first batch had big problems with their ZIF cables and the latest batches (shipped this week so I'm waiting for feedback) seem to have these fixed. Here is the direct link to their US reseller mydigitaldiscount. They are currently back ordered. They also have a mini ZIF version in case they don't fit size wise and those go up to 64GB. Pricing is significantly cheaper than Mtron's SLC drives at an average $60 per 16GB. I've ordered a 32GB version on Thursday and when I get one I'll post results here.
    • Concerning the cardbus port. I bought a Viking 32bit cardbus controller off ebay and a Transcend 300x card. I tried the 32bit Delkin drivers and the best I could get is 7mb/s reads. On a IDE to ZIF adapter I get ~35MB/s. I thougt it was a driver issue, but it could also be the controller. I didn't know that there was a controller issue before reading it here, but I would stay away from the above seller since he never answered my emails and I think his UDMA support statement in his ad is incorrect.
    • Tried a 1.8 Zif to CF adapter with good results on a 300x Transcend 8GB card with good results. I was getting 30-45MB/s on read/writes. 8Gb was pretty small even on an XP install. I was doing a lot of hibernates vs shutting down my 2510p. One day it would boot so I reinstalled my HDD. I was worried that I had "used up" my CF card but after a reformat it worked well in my camera. Thankfully Transcend has a lifetime warranty so I will RMA the card if additional problems turn up (no problems using for pictures). I worry about using CF cards since I question the wear leveling used since the target application is very different. I also have a 4GB 150x SD card and that is super slow too (also in the 7MB/s read range). I'm using it as a swap drive. This will hopefully will reduce wear on a main SSD if turning off swap is not feasible for my applications. Besides SD cards are cheap now.

    Some questions:
    • Has anyone tried the SATA DVD caddy mod post by Nando4. Does that ebay part fit into the 2510p?
    • I hardly use my optical drive so I'd like to remove it. Does that save power? What can I use to plug the hole? Any instructions how to do so and will this void my warranty? Any thoughts on where to get a DVD+R/W replacement? Mine came with the DVD/CDR combo drive.
    • This is off topic, but has anyone tried the Intel wifi Draft N 5100 mPCIe card? Initial feedback from an ebay seller is that it won't work, but no reason why. The 5100 has half height version and only uses 2 antennas as the existing card does. The supported draft N card is the Intel 4965 which has 3 antennas but only 2 need to be connected. The 4965 is more expensive ($35 vs 20) than the newer 5100 or its bigger brother 5300 (400MB/s max).
    • Any thoughts on using hibernate on a SSD? Writing 2GB of data on a 32GB could increase wear. I'm hoping shutdown will be faster so I won't need to use it much. On my 4200rpm HDD shutdown and restart takes forever.
    • Where can you download the latest BIOS for the 2510p? (Duh! from HP.com F.0E (4 Nov 2008))

    Finally, I use my notebook as a portable device and have a desktop for more storage at home. With a fast wireless LAN and and external USB drive I won't need more than 32GB onboard storage for now. 64GB would be better, but I don't want to spend $200 when you can get a 100Gb 7200rpm 2.5 SATA drive for $50. I'm looking for decent performance at a reasonable price and it seems the 2510p lucked out when it was released with 1.8 ZIF interface. $119 (plus ship & tax) for a 32GB drive with 80/45 MB/s performance sounds right for me.
     
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    As for the dvd replacement:
    * No idea what you could get as a replacement
    * I doubt that removing the drive would void the warranty, HP usually lets you replace most of the stuff w/o losing warranty (although the DVD drive is the only part that has no mark symbols beneath the screws)
    * the mentioned HDD bay for the MultiBay slot does NOT fit in the 2510p. I removed the DVD drive and made a photo of its connector:
    http://pub.jay2k1.com/2510p-optical-drive-connector.jpg
    This is definitely not the kind of connector that can be seen on the eBay auction's pictures.
     
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    Would this work? http://newmodeus.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_27&products_id=186

    They have a PATA and SATA drive version with a JAE 50 connector. They even display an HP notebook, but the orientation of the drive is on the opposite side of the 2510p. They mention HP-Compaq Multibay compatibility.

    Does anyone have a link for instructions on removing the optical drive?
     

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